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Women in Love

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Today’s pull quote comes from Xpat Ranting’s blog. The discourse there is brief, but insightful:

I really, really, really hope the myth that girls are the hopeless romantics gets kicked to the curb ASAP. Everyone needs to realize that men are the “romantics pretending to be realists” and women; vice versa

I found this particularly thought provoking – Men are the romantics forced to be the realists, while women are the realists using romanticisms to effect their imperatives (hypergamy). This is a heaping mouthful of cruel reality to swallow, and dovetails nicely into the sixth Iron Rule of Tomassi:

Iron Rule of Tomassi #6 Women are utterly incapable of loving a man in the way that a man expects to be loved.

In its simplicity this speaks volumes about about the condition of Men. It accurately expresses a pervasive nihilism that Men must either confront and accept, or be driven insane in denial for the rest of their lives when they fail to come to terms with the disillusionment.

Women are incapable of loving men in a way that a man idealizes is possible, in a way he thinks she should be capable of.


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Title Women in Love
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 67
Comments 55
Date 22 April 2016 12:48 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/57942
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4fw3ka/women_in_love/
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[–]1ToSeeAndToHear11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

My ex loved me in some way, or at least claimed to, even while I was dumping her for not loving me how I wanted her to.

She wanted us to be in an open relationship, and I, being BP as all hell, figured I could at least see how that worked. I had let myself go, and didn't have the time, energy, game, or physique to pursue new women. She, meanwhile, basically found two new boyfriends.

One of them let her feel very dominant, he was an omega male bitch boy who liked to cross dress and be whipped. She said he was a great side boyfriend - read as: too omega to ever help her deal with her anxieties or dominate her the way she also wanted.

The other had a lot of money, and was a beta male learning to put on a dominant face within a BDSM scene. He was still very beta in most of his life, however, and was basically an excuse for her to get to play with nice toys.

So what love did I have from her? It was closer to that of a daughter to a father, mixed with the stupid friendship of an orbiter.

It wasn't always that way. For a while, I was her king. Before I'd let myself go, she wanted me very badly. She claimed I was the best lover she'd ever had - she said that she'd never had a vaginal orgasm before me.

I thought this meant that I was done. That I could relax, and trust in her to always love me, because that's how I love women and how I wanted to be loved.

I was wrong. Once I'd lost it in her eyes, once she'd seen me break down in my moments of stress in law school, once she'd seen me be unemployed for a long stretch of time basically playing house-husband for her while she finished her degree, she couldn't take me seriously as a dominant male.

Sex dried up with excuses of condoms rubbing on her in a way that hurt, that being on the pill made her nauseous and exacerbated her cramps, that IUDs were too scary.

I was still this girl's world, almost her only friend. I don't think she ever cared for anyone as much as she cared for me. But it still wasn't what I wanted, and she could not give it to me, even once I made it clear that if I didn't get it, she'd lose me.

The only thing to my credit in the last year of that relationship was that I finally broke up with her. Shortly afterwards, I found TRP.

[–][deleted] -1 points-1 points | Copy

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[–]1ToSeeAndToHear2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm practically an ex-cuck, yes. Never again, thanks TRP. Just glad I didn't go so far as to do that in marriage or with kids.

What I was trying to illustrate is how seeking that idealized love that women are incapable of will ruin what love they are capable of.

How do you perceive me as plugged-in/projecting? I'm blind to whatever you're seeing; either you're mistaken or I have more growing to do.

[–]redpillnexus13 points14 points  (18 children) | Copy

I don't even believe that women can fall in love. Love is a mating hormone that only men feel so that we go out and latch onto women. Thats why we get oneitis and why women will forget about their five year SO after a day and go out with another guy. Women don't have love programmed into their biology.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (15 children) | Copy

Women love. They love short term and conditional. If you give her tingles she will love you until you don't. Once they get bored all bets are off.

I started talking to a girl last week who has dated the same guy for over two years. He calls her "boo." He makes sweet love to her, takes her on trips, buys her nice things. Boo-boy also has rich parents.

Boo-girl didn't hesitate to give me her number. She started sending me unsolicited pictures in various states of undress, but never quite naked, which I never responded to. Then I told her yesterday out of the blue to send me a pic of her tits to which she replied she was at work. "You get breaks." I let it hang like that and several hours later got a pic of her tits in a dirty employee bathroom mirror. Long story short, she told boo-boy she had to go to work early today and came to my place with coffee and breakfast to get fucked how boo-boy should be fucking her.

I got a text from another girl during and she scoped the name and asked if it was "another one of my ho's." I laughed and asked her if that made her one of my ho's and she got pissed and said "No! Ho's are lying little sluts!" I countered that all women are liars and she stormed out saying "she had never lied to me." The girl who lied to her doting boyfriend of 2 years to come buy me breakfast and get fucked half to death before work is an honest, wholesome woman in her own mind. Let that truly sink in.

Before she met me, she loved her boyfriend. After she left my place, she probably still loves her boyfriend. But any time she thinks of me, sees a text from me, hears my name or hops on my dick, boo-boy will cease to even exist in her mind. If he ever stops buying her shit, her conditional love will fade to zero and she will jump ship. THAT is how a woman loves.

[–]Docbear645 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Damn that's cold very real but so so cold.

[–]Wilreadit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For the woman it is not cold. Nor for the Chads who fuck one hole after another.

It is cold to the man who expects to be the one for a woman. He truly is in a hard place-between the slut and the Chad.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have low empathy and really no use for women besides sex. But I feel a slight pity for regular men who find the redpill, men with actual non-shallow emotions. Shit like this must destroy their world. TRP never killed me inside because it immediately made sense to me. That and I've never really cared about a chick. Or been burned. My mom told me not to trust them from a young age.

And now, a quote from one of my favorite rappers

"My momma used to tell me don't quit baby, that just don't exist And just because shell suck ya dick doesn't mean you could ever trust the bitch" - Lil Herb

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

I couldn't help mentally adding quotation marks around every "love" in your post.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

I mean, if we're honest with ourselves, there is no need to. It is love, real love, that they feel. It is passionate and intense and overpowering at that moment. Women run on a series of powerful but fleeting emotions. They do love, but it is a selfish love, not a romantic one. Romantic "love" is the real illusion.

Even the girl buying me food was not a selfless act. It was to improve her value in my eyes compared to other girls she knows I'm fucking and verbally attacked despite not knowing them. She didn't buy food because she cares about me, she bought food because she cares what I think about her. Then she gave up the only thing of value she has, with enthusiasm, to prove what a catch (lying slut) she is.

Don't get me wrong; I love every second. But that has to be it. The second she hops off my dick and gets dressed its time to move on. You have to learn to love like a woman. The moment I behave like Boo-boy she'll be gone, but as long as I fuck her and discard her physically in the same way she loves and discards her man emotionally she will keep coming back. It's what she responds to even if she doesn't understand it.

That is real love. The other kind doesn't exist.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm being a pedant, but what you're describing is precisely "infatuation," especially in the context of what the OP was referring to by "love." But I agree with every concept you laid out.

[–]Wilreadit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If love is willing to sacrifice your neck for the well being of another, then women DO NOT love men. Even the worst ones.

Using the same definition, we would find a lot of men on the other hand in love with women. Mostly orbiters and oneitic dudes.

It is not that women are bad. It is the way they are. If you are not gay then that is what you have to put up with.

Buyer beware.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are correct. But if you think about it, is "infatuation" a thing merely to imply a higher degree of love that isn't really there? You could also argue that it is "lust" but I feel both terms distract from the truth that this is the only way women are really capable of loving. Everything else is a lie.

[–]Verve111 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

She didn't buy food because she cares about me, she bought food because she cares what I think about her. Then she gave up the only thing of value she has, with enthusiasm, to prove what a catch (lying slut) she is.

Thanks for the enlightenment. I went for drinks with a girl yesterday and she literally grabbed the bill before I could say a thing. I had a few theories as to why but this makes the most sense. Also, she made me promise that I'd go out with her again, using the fact that she paid as leverage to make me feel like I owed her.

Very clever. Most guys would probably fall for it...except you and I not most guys.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would have told her that just because she paid doesn't mean I'm putting out because I'm not that easy. You're doing well though if she's snagging the bill and pushing for another date.

[–]Wilreadit0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

This is one reason why it is easy to lay a chick who has self doubt about her appearance.

First you tell them her fat is showing in a tangential way. Like you prefer thin chicks. Then be the friend and advise her to join a work out program. After a week say that you cannot believe your eyes and that you want to take her home and talk to her.

She knows she is fat. She knows one week has not done anything. But despite herself, if you really put up the act she will be the easiest lay. Just do not count on her staying for long.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Your first sentence is a vitally important one because some of the hottest girls have the deepest insecurities. That's why they put so much effort into their appearance.

[–]Wilreadit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you can identify a girl's(or even a guy's for that matter) insecurity and then subtly destabilize her then you can get her to do what you want. Literally make her eat out of your hands.

This are probably the kiddie steps of sociopathy( not psychopathy mind you).

Things could back fire esp when it is time to dump her. You could leave her damaged, she may kill herself or worse she may kill you.

So use it very smoothly and never directly.

One of the best ways to id her insecurities is to get close to her old friends. Tell them something like this: Sometimes [insert fairmaiden/bitch 's name] is hurt when I say something. I just want to know what topics to avoid so that I do not hurt her. I just want to never hurt her again so I want to know what hurts her.

Never direct. Always subtle. And you need to know this could be leaked to the fair maiden so always have subterfuges ready.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree. I disagree with rollo (bless his heart), I don't think women love uncondationally. I don't think they love at all. They feel tingles, and yearning for a high smv alpha mate, but they don't feel genuine love. They don't have it in them, in their soulless sociopathic twistedness, to find the emotion love in their emotional mess of a mind. Honestly I'm not even sure if women have real feelings. Sometimes I feel like they're just like robots. X input = Irrational output Y

[–]Wilreadit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A woman feels love when she is surrounded by what she wants when she wants it(not necessarily from the same source) without making her feel like she is a bad person or undeserved of it.

A man feels loved when he sees that a woman he has invested in is holding out for him.

Contrast and you can see how easy it is for a woman to be actually loved and for a man to not be loved.

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are incapable of loving men in a way that a man idealizes is possible, in a way he thinks she should be capable of.

Also: https://therationalmale.com/2015/01/05/the-love-experience/

https://therationalmale.com/2012/09/10/men-in-love/

https://therationalmale.com/2015/03/20/idealism/

[–]TheReformist944 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

I am familiar with this article, and also the notion that when a women says she loves you and would move planets and seas for you, she genuinely means it, its just that you have to add "at this moment" on the end, or that the sentence is subject to brad pitt coming along.

However my LTR says she loves me, that she'd by devastated if i died, she hopes she dies before me and she'd take a bullet for me.

I'm not disputing the theory of this post as i agree with it, and im sure her "love" would end in a heartbeat if brad pitt came along (which is why i believe females cant love becuase if you define that as love then its not love). but what is she feeling? what is the depth of this emotion that she calls love?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

However my LTR says she loves me, that she'd by devastated if i died, she hopes she dies before me and she'd take a bullet for me.

And in her mind, she thinks that's true. But women are not self sacrificing. She won't be taking bullets for you.

[–]TheReformist942 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ooo! What are you talking about! I found a 0.1% unicorn which I vetted through male shit tests! Shitlord!

[–]Wilreadit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If I went up to her and gave her the option of taking a bullet for you or letting me kill you and awarding her with 1 million dollars and a good life, what would be her reaction?

She would weigh how life is with you (post bullet wound) vs how life would be with my patronage. Then she comes to a decision. If she feels my offer is fraud and she has a better chance with you then she will think of all the nice times you guys have had together and steel her mind.

On the other hand if she is convinced of my bonafides and thinks I have a passport, then she will think of all the times you let her down and that she truly deserves this chance and how you truly deserves to die.

You see they weigh first, come to a conclusion and then rationalize.

But she would take a bullet for her first born without even thinking twice, even if that would leave her paralyzed. You are just not that terribly important to her.

Just have good girls around, lower their defenses and ask these hypothetical questions. You will see how quickly the wall of 'good' crumbles.

EDIT: We are not talking about crack hos. They would not do anything unless it is to score.

[–]maxofreddit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You see they weigh first, come to a conclusion and then rationalize.

This...this...this... good god I wish I learned this sooner...

Just...the most accurate ever

[–]flatox5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Love is a myth created in the middle age.

A comforting lie, is all it is.

[–]1ItsTheHomeWrecker1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]Il1283 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are incapable of loving anyone but themselves and about 3/4 of the time their children.

The world is full of examples of this.

[–]TRPApprentice4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, if a woman says she loves you, keep fucking her, if she proposes marriage and won't shut the fuck up about it - RUN

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (25 children) | Copy

I push it even further than Rollo does, and say women are incapable of loving men at all. Or anyone besides their offspring for that matter. Women do not love you, they never will.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (20 children) | Copy

A woman's love for you or what they perceive as love takes the form of a love for an object, or a thing. In the eyes of a woman at all times you are viewed as a human doing and not a human being. I explain this to women as them being in love with the image of what a man represents to them, but not with who the man is. This is the sad truth and it goes hand in hand with Briffault's law.

I don't think that they are incapable of love. They just cannot move past the real you. Which I guess has some benefits in them worshipping you almost at the beginning, but then they can instantly leave you when you get diagnosed with cancer.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

So they objectify us for achievements and we objectify them for their bodies essentially?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yep. Except one of those things is perfectly acceptable socially. Guess which one.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

They want us to be champions, and we want them to be our trophies.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's actually an interesting way of putting it. It could explain why men (betas, essentially) mate guard.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Haha, they are protecting their trophies. Best to lock them away in a trophy cabinet so no one sees them/steals them.

[–]Wilreadit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

While those who know to win trophies do not care terribly about the trophies that he has already won.

Cue the Donald and his wives.

[–]Wilreadit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They objectify us for the value we represent and we objectify them for the pleasure they can give us.

Value is the magic word for women and pleasure for men.

That is why Hugh Hefner with a wrinkled dick can still fuck barely 18 chicks. Because high value and high pleasure gets matched.

If you are highly reputed, highly wealthy or highly healthy you have checked her boxes. If she has one of these, then you need to outdo her or be good with the other.

For men she needs to be cute and slim and fit to what the man has imprinted in his mind as the ultimate pleasure giver. This imprint changes depending on socio economic changes too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Im a fan of yours BTW, I've listened to some of your shit on YouTube (interviews, etc). Good stuff.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Thanks bro. What i will say is that there is an element of truth in what you say. But men are programmed to become disposable and providers to the object of their affection. A great video for this is Spetsnaz the disposable male. With men it goes way deeper than a pair of tits and ass. Otherwise men would leave all their wives, yet there are men still in love with them even if they look like absolute shit due to age.

[–]Chump_No_More1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the cruel joke of evolution... Oxytocin.

Oxytocin causes men to abandon their primary sexual strategy, Polygyny, for their secondary, Protector/Provider.

Oxytocin causes women to bond with their children... Period. There is no lasting hormonal mechanism for women bonding to men.

What causes a woman to abandon her primary sexual strategy? The Wall.

The only thing a man can leverage is understanding and constantly satisfying a woman's hypergamic doubt. Stay high value, stay mysterious, maintain distance, keep her guessing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Hey doc, do you plan to do something with Rollo anytime soon? Looking forward to more content bro.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

New red pill monthly today. Check channel and rational male for time

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Do you think they view us as a new purse or a pair of shoes?

In that, they love the way it will feel being seen outside with us?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes. Nothing is a better accessory to a woman than an high smv alpha mate who's arm she's hanging onto in public. To women yout are disposable. You are essentially a dildo, emotional tampon, and a walking wallet.

[–]Wilreadit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not necessarily the same guy if she is an attractive woman. She can have a Chad, a Richie rich and a Betabuck on her speed dial and live life easily.

[–]Wilreadit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No. There are two aspects to value. One is real value and one is perceptual value.

Real value means the things he can provide me which are tangible. Money, wild sex, food, house and all the bling things go here. This is the first thing they look for, this is hardwired into their brains. Never choose someone who won't be of use.

Second is perceptual value. This get tricky. This is when she thinks like this: what would other women think if I am seen with him. How to increase my value in the eyes of other women. This is why they are more than likely to date a rockstar than a reticent billionaire who does not splurge.

Of course both are related. One way of crossing the chasm is by marrying someone of real value and divorcing him and then going on to someone with perceptual value. Both bases covered.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I explain this to women as them being in love with the image of what a man represents to them, but not with who the man is.

For a woman, what a person or thing LOOKS LIKE is what that person or thing actually IS--there is nothing deeper, nothing below the surface. For women, the surface is the entire reality, it's literally all there is. (I think the classic "Women, the most responsible teenager in the house" essay quotes Schopenhauer on this).

If you LOOK LIKE a guitar player--if you're tall, rail thin with a lanky build, long hair, tatts (the sleeves are key), piercings, leather bracelets and various other accoutrements--then you ARE a guitar player, as far as women are concerned. The fact that you know 3 chords (or 2, or none) doesn't matter--you and Jimi Hendrix are now one and the same. She'll tell all her girlfriends "I'm fucking a guitar player!!", and then show them your pic on her phone, the girlfriends will all Ooh and Aah, and the girl will win a shiny fresh "girlpoint" for the evening (until another girl shouts "Well I'm fucking a RAPPER!!", whips out her phone containing a pic with some huge thug-ish looking dude, and then she one-ups the first girl accordingly...).

For women it's all image--it's all the look, the attitude--there is nothing else.

[–]Wilreadit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Very wrong here. When exploring her prospects women are better analysts than men.

When she sees a think lanky guy she would approach may be for a series of quick lays and some smack. She knows this guy can't provide her money. Or thug sex. Get from him what he has to offer and then seek others as they come by.

Women are always calculating. Now what they want depends on their age and what they have already experienced. But suffice it to say that they look at more than the surface.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Couldn't disagree more. Required reading: Rollo's "Have a Look"

Also Schopenhauer's essay on women, as excerpted in "Women, the most responsible teenager in the house".

[–]TheReformist945 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

my mum cheated on my dad who was an engineer ( i think she used him as a meal ticket out of her island to come live in the UK), with an investment banker in the city (who was in oxford university rugby team) so basically top 5%, 1%.

So the banker died about a year ago of cancer, he was married as well, but him and my mum were an item for the best part of 15years. He didnt love his wife, and if it wasnt for the cancer returning, theyd have married 2013.

Having read the red pill and my view of women in love, i cant help but feel no remorse for her grieving over his death. Women dont love, therefore even though he died, she hasnt lost anything becuase she cant love him anyway.

My view is she is grieving the loss of feelings he produced for her, grieving the loss of attention she received from a top 5% man, the fact that a man who all women were chasing loved her (straight from the horses mouth). The remaining grief and sadness is that fact she has realised she has been alpha widowed so fucking hard at the age of 50 and no man will ever be able to match that, and even if he could, she isnt in the poisitoin to land a man like that.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I feel no compassion pity or sympathy for women, ever. They don't love you, they love the way you make them feel.

[–]Wilreadit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They love the things you can do for them. Not your presence but your ability to make her life better.

[–]Wilreadit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They CANNOT. Just like they CANNOT fly. It is a cannot, not a will not.



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