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I rejected a girl last month and it had me thinkkng.

defo18

June 26, 2020

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Part of me wants to accept that dating is hard for everybody but this interaction is coloring my experience is very gray

I was very flattered and I was not angry or rude to her as that would be a dick move but I have been feeling salty because in my head I think that that girl probably has done this only a few times in her life and we'll never know the true anguish of going through stages of your life being rejected

And I can't keep that thought out of my head I cannot keep the thought that most women will not know going through elementary middle and high school completely clueless and dateless

Part of me is saying congratulations for her for Having the courage to do that but I can count on my hands how many times the hand just going up to a girl was congratulated instead of something else to be made fun of for

I don't know why I have this was it meant for the whole game but I do and I hate it and I want out of it but nowadays people love touting about their personal experience and their lived experience and I don't think there is a female equivalent of a man going through his life getting rejected and rejected and rejected and having to force himself to do stereotypically manly things for a woman even though we're supposed to be in a new world we're gender doesn't

It has been on my mind all month. Yes a girl can go up to a guy but it will not take the sheer will power mind power social skills and courage to do it like a man does and I know that's a nasty thought but it's something I keep seeing in my day-to-day life. I don't think people address

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Title	I rejected a girl last month and it had me thinkkng.
Author	defo18
Upvotes	0
Comments	54
Date	June 26, 2020 6:55 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/ExRedPill
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[–]TheMadWoodcutter27 points28 points29 points 6 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

[–]BCRE8TVE0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are operating from the assumption that women as a group do not have the experience of being self conscious and afraid of rejection? Have you ever met a woman before? That's basically the number one thing that women as a group are afraid of.

Not saying women don't have that fear of rejection, but boys are kinda forced to run through the gauntlet of rejection. You don't go up to a girl and run the risk of rejection, you're likely not going to get a girl, period.

That's one thing that most girls typically don't have to worry about. Don't have to worry about initiating, don't have to worry about being rejected, and if you do go out and ask someone out, they're far more likely to succeed than guys.

Why do you think women as a group suffer so much more than men from eating disorders?

Definitely unhealthy messages in society and horrible body expectations.

Or that they spend so fucking much of their resources on make up and clothes?

Kinda iffy on that one, because half will say they do that just to make themselves look beautiful, and half say they do it to attract boys. So, which is it? If it's for themselves, then it's girls putting pressure on themselves and not the 'fault' of boys. If it's to attract guys, then that's fine, but now we have to get people to admit that this is why they're doing it. Again it's fine if that's why they do it, let's just be honest about it and stop lying about why girls make themselves look nice yeah?

They're taught from a young age that they need to be thin and pretty or no man will want them.

And that really sucks. There are a lot of horrible double standards and it makes just about everyone worried about being rejected for a bunch of bad reasons. We definitely need to work more deconstructing those unhealthy messages and trying to get people to be more self-confident and less afraid.

To be fair too guys are often told that looks don't matter, only to find out that in reality looks very much do matter. Girls are affected most, but it definitely affects guys too.

[–]defo18[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

And that is perfectly valid and I do agree there is a bunch of pressure on young girls

I was raised by nothing but women on both sides of my family so I do get it but I also get that there's a giant glaring blind spot a lot of people don't see and I'm not saying men are guilty of this either

But one thing girls do not have that guys do as they do not have the cultural expectation to not only pursued but when and look good doing it

There's no movement I can Google or even just seeing my YouTube feed telling me that I as a man in perfect the way I am and I don't have to change for anybody that has never been a constant in my life even though I know it's b*******

A girl can stay single her entire life and no one would question her femininity or if she was a real woman and no one should but that's something that a lot of men have to face even in 2020

[–]ironbasementwizard16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

[–]BCRE8TVE0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

There are a lot of women and girls who want to ask out guys but are afraid that it will make them seem unfeminine and scare the guy away. Others are stopped by fear of rejection. And ultimately- being "pursued" the way a lot of women and girls experience it isn't a good thing.

Well then I guess they'll have to do like guys, man up, and confront their fears eh?

Guys are afraid that if they don't ask out, they'll be single their entire lives. So, welcome to the world of guys? You're talking about all these frightful things like guys don't go through that literally every day of their lives.

It feels like being a piece of meat circled by hungry sharks while waiting and hoping that a "good one" happens to come along, while not feeling empowered to actually go after a "good one"

I guess they'll just have to do like guys and man up eh? Guys are afraid they'll get rejected and turned down, and afraid of coming across as too forward and scaring off the one they want to be with. So yeah, sorry, not feeling terribly sorry for girls having to go through the same kinds of problems guys face all the time, and that girls haven't had to deal with.

If a woman stays single her entire life she's seen as a spinster, a pathetic cad lady, a hag. There is huge pressure on women to get married and have families, and those that don't do so are seen as failed women.

That is true, and there is just as strong a pressure on guys as having a relationship and having sex, because if they don't, they're not a real man. Terribly unhelpful pressures on both sides that aren't helping anyone, and force people to do something they are afraid of doing to be with someone they might not even be a good match for anyways.

We definitely need to make new rules.

[–]ironbasementwizard2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]BCRE8TVE1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why are you acting like "women have to deal with the same shit guys do" is some sort of "gotcha"? That was the point of my comment.

It's absolutely scary for girls to do that, it's just that girls seem to have a hard time understanding that guys don't have a choice, guys are kinda thrust into that whether they want to or not, because the only alternative is loneliness. Girls can ask guys out, and it is scary, but they don't have to, and guys will come to them.

OP was under the impression that women and girls don't have the same fears as guys do when it comes to asking someone out. The purpose of my comment was to explain that this observation was incorrect.

Ah, fair enough, that I didn't catch and that's my bad.

You're being needlessly antagonistic, but at least we can agree on the fact that we need to make new rules.

Yeah, sorry. Been going through some frustrations with some feminists who were being almost dogmatically invalidating men's experience last week, and it's got me really riled up. The anger is dying down, and it will pass, just kinda needed to get it out of my system, sorry about that.

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[–]BCRE8TVE1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It really would help if men had closer bonds and friendships. It would also help to deconstruct the whole attitude that girls can must be a potential girlfriend or you get friendzoned, and nobody wants that. There are a bunch of different behaviours that should be changed, but how exactly does one change them? It's going to take a concerted societal effort for sure.

It's a shame that men feel like they're only allowed to "open up" with a romantic partner, and puts a lot of pressure on the partner and the whole idea of partnership.

Completely agree, and it is extremely unhealthy for everyone involved. In many ways guys are simply not taught emotional intelligence or given the tools to deal with these kinds of situations. They barely know how to handle their own problems, and they don't want to unload their problems on other people who might be struggling too, so they keep it all inside, they man up and keep going.

It also doesn't help that it seems a somewhat common experience that when men do open up to their partners, they get rejected, invalidated, and/or abandoned. All around there needs to be more compassion and understanding, and trying to help one another.

There also needs to be a better understanding that what works for one sex doesn't necessarily work for the other either. Girls might love to talk about issues and get it off their chests, but men tend to want to fix issues, and just talking about it doesn't do much.

In school boys are also unfortunately treated as defective girls, they're not as obedient as girls, not as studious as girls, not as nice as girls, etc. There are several problems, one of which being that school is not geared at all towards the needs of kids, they need to move more and be more active to do better in school and this affects boys more than girls.

There also needs to be a recognition that you can't just assume that the solution that works for girls/women is what would work for boys/men, and if boys/men aren't behaving the same way as girls/women would, then those men need to be fixed. This one worries me because there's a large movement supporting girls and women's empowerment, which don't get me wrong is good, but there isn't at all something similar for young boys, and I'm too worried people will try and foist some more "this worked for girls so boys need to use the same approach/solutions", which would ignore the fact that boys are different and need a different approach sometimes.

I'm sorry you've been going through bad stuff, hope you feel better soon!

Thanks. It's kinda part of my recovery journey, was in a 7 year relationship that turned toxic then abusive in the 2nd half, been 3 years since the breakup and been in therapy for 2 years. It's part of the healing journey. Things are going better even if it's not as fast as I would have liked, but thanks for the well wishes :)

[–]defo18[S] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Sekina79 points10 points11 points 6 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Now you sound short-sighted at best and delusional at worst!! DO YOU KNOW how many cultures literally ABOLISH and/or ostracize women for not being validated by a husband and kids? DO YOU KNOW there are still large parts of the world that literally justify killing women who do not fulfil their womanly duty which is only to have kids and serve them and her husband-for life? I know because I come from a culture like that and I also know personally of two women who whilst successful in all other aspects of their lives where being repeatedly rejected for serious relationships and bullied by their families for not having kids or.a husband and so they took their own lives as a result! And not sure if you know this but the concept of a ticking "biological clock" was not penned to shame MEN. Plenty of women go through the anguish of being repeatedly rejected for anything of substance.

Men like you fail to understand that sex to a woman does not hold the same value or allure to us, we have far more to lose and most of the time the average man is not even concerned with pleasing his woman sexually or maybe doesn't know-how. But a relationship does hold allure and that is mainly due to societal and religious grooming and guilt-tripping of women to make "keeping" and serving a man and his kids in life the greatest achievement. AT LEAST with women if they reject you that's the end =but men can be much more sinister and get their physical pleasures attended to and THEN reject MULTIPLE WOMEN. So no one is going to get out the violins for you or give you peace of mind for the vindictive nature of your thoughts. How nasty of you!

[+]defo18[S] -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

[–]Sekina75 points6 points7 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I am a BLACK WOMAN and know the black culture very well! Black women globally are under CONSTANT pressure to not only "GET" a man but also to "KEEP" a man! Black women are constantly ridiculed by black men for being single and unmarried, ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA which is because black men do not do the asking! ALSO, black men benefit from being the only race of men globally that are not judged by their women for not having resources.

The black community globally suffers from CHRONIC absent fatherhood and single motherhood so cry me a river! Black women are actively groomed by the community to practice hyPOgamy instead of hyPERgamy and also encouraged to just have kids by any means because it is an open joke how negligent and irresponsible black men are as a collective. And the two women I knew who killed themselves was from where? BLACK AMERICA, oh the irony. I'd laugh if it actually wasn't so sad. And your main worry is being rejected for SEX??? DO you know the pain of giving a man your trust, life, body AND a child only to be not only rejected for marriage but also having your kids ignored or severely underprovided for? Single motherhood is no joke and we all know how malicious black men can be when its time to be accountable, then it's all "WELL YOU SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN BETTER", unfortunately for the women who do manage to break the generational curses of poverty and abuse the pickings are VERY SLIM if you want to have a healthy and hypergamous relationship, let ALONE a marriage and don't even get me started on colourism, etc! I bet you're not ready for that discussion though, are you?

There is PLENTY of evidence and stats to back this up before you try and refute. Actually black men have gotten away with their women VERY race loyal whilst having the LEAST protection, being provided for the least and on top of that having disproportionately higher domestic and sexual abuse rates so DON"T EVEN TRY IT! The cheek of you!

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[–]defo18[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Everything you just typed about our community and how people are raised in act I can bring up just as much pulling out the opposite so it will be a never-ending game but I respect your opinion as a fellow black person

As much as we talked on people not being a monolith used by all people to know black men and women are not a monolith either and yes I do agree some black men can do better but I know a whole lot who do good & Beyond.

And I don't know what black women raised you but the ones who raised me told me the opposite of things and even still there's new ones and gray areas in between so I will concede.

About your whole loyalty thing also I have seen way too many black women go out of their way to date the Thug Type when the dude who was everything they say they want is right in front of them and I've seen it way too many times and even my own family has stated they made a mistake and that's not taking away their personhood it's just something I've noticed that no one really likes to bring into account when these conversations are at

[–]Sekina71 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't want to embarrass you by bringng up the elephant in the room but here are some basics for you BLACK MEN invented, promoted and glorified THUG CULTURE, do you remember that- HIP HOP ANYONE, GAME ANYONE, GHETTOS BEING SHOT AT BY BLACK MEN ANYONE, DRUG DEALERS BEING GLORIFIED ANYONE?

ALSO as you yourself have proven, most black people DID NOT have fathers around and that affects men AND WOMEN. Most black women are growing with no role models or anyone one instilling self-confidence and vetting skills in them! On top of that did you know only 7% of black men are even employed professionally? The rest are in jail or ex-convicts, unemployed, underemployed or Pookies and Ray Rays and women outnumber men to add yet a further complication etc so again, stop trying to make excuses and deflect and blame shift! There are just very very few good black men to choose from including the fact that the good ones know they have a lot of choices and practice their own version of hypergamy by dating either mixed women or women of other races when they can afford to get the women they REALLY want when they can afford to do so.

TRUST ME if more black women wake up to the conditioning and simultaneous blaming of the failures in the community on them and start choosing logically and strategically so we do not have all these kids out of wedlock, in poverty and with men who refuse to step up then you would REALLY have a reason to moan about not being chosen. Just because you personally are not being picked on demand you're still being willfully obtuse and moving the goalposts regarding the very real long term issues that he black community is facing because the men collectively live in victim mode whilst hiding behind mummies skirt-see the latest rolling Stone magazine painted by a black man to see how the world sees the truth of the matter. Also just because you claim to be a good prospect that does not make you one! Just like just because incels can't get laid, it doesn't make them a wonderful and viable good options and nice guys by default.

Despite black women suffering from both racism AND sexism and being preyed on at alarmingly high rates sexually (64% of black women are either sexually, domestically abused or MURDERED WITH GUNS by their black partners) from young ages, they are also the most educated and the fastest-growing group of entrepreneurs so we are not going around making excuses or feeling sorry for ourselves! On the one hand, you were moaning about being rejected YET as stated the majority of black people globally are a permanent underclass and that is as a result of black women choosing based on how they have been taught, aesthetics, swag and desperation to be honest! NOw let's talk about how many black men have MULTIPLE baby mothers, one ok a mistake but THREE PLUS??? Most men admit that they choose based on aesthetics and you have not mentioned anything about the character, or substance ...I THINK you are most likely batting out of your league, based on looks and superficiality then getting salty when getting rejected. I BET you were not going to the library to get potential dates huh. Having the cheek to talk about thugs even though most black men AERE THUGS or thug identified but then most of you all only choose based on how big the bubble butt and titties are, how real and silky the hair is and how slutty and submissive the woman is and then get upset when these "CLASSY" (eye roll) women do not value anything else but the swag and build?

Men can also take responsibility and strap up or get a vasectomy! Also in this day and age, we have so many opportunities to break curses and get ahead in life but as you are proving by staying true to form. FAR TOO MANY OF YOU are selfish, short-sighted and playing the eternal victim. Notice that even though YOUR OWN DAD was not around and your mother probably had to work her butt off to raise you all you fail to mention that side of the coin eh? Seriously, sir, it sounds like you need to grow up, learn to see the bigger picture and understand there are bigger things at stake than you not getting your dick when on command.

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Not from what I've seen or leasing a culture real life where I'm from and I will agree nowadays there's some discussion but nowhere near enough and nowhere near the amount that we done for women and whatever secret sexist or crazy thing some people may or may not do

For example I've had friends who are super cool in front of me but will change up their personality in front of women and why is that because they know that their Bass personality is unattractive to girls and it's not because the personality is stupid or wrong it's because it's clear to me that certain men just do better regardless of their confidence levels or money

But generally speaking it is easier for girls in a romantic sense because even if they get rejected they will still have the validation of knowing that some other guy will find them attractive and we'll probably stay because they're expected to pursue

I have seen so many women say they won't pursue because it will make them look desperate which is ironic isn't it. So many girls will also come up to a dude years later and say that they like them but they wanted him to come up to her which I still do not get because it's supposed to be 20 20

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Also maybe it's because I have a young boy I pursued but I never questioned why up until I got to the point where I got a girlfriend who made fun of me for the very thought of pursuing now what since doesn't make for the gender that does not pursue to make fun of her criticized the ones that have to

Just like playing on a team of sports we're all the players for doing the same thing you had one teammate is reprimanded and make fun of for doing the exact same things the only difference is he's not winning

Why would I continually put myself in the position for the girl to look at me creepy or anything like that

Because it's still on me for making relationships happen because I'm the dude if I want a relationship I'm going to have to scrape through a bunch of bulshit and Miss information just to get there.

You know girl spread rumors right?

you could hit on one girl and fail and see take it as something completely different and then your reputation is ruined for this one girl in this one girl will potentially ruin thousands of more opportunities with other girls just because she was not confident to reject and just say no instead of acting like it was a big deal and tell him the whole school.

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[–]Inareskai3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Most women I know when through secondary school completely clueless and dateless...

So you talk a lot here about always having to do the chasing and how unfair that is and how you're not seeing any 'results' from your self improvement in terms of dating.

But now you say you were approached. Which shows you don't always have to do the chasing and women are taking an interest.

But you turned her down.

And now you're mad that women don't chase/get turned down enough.

Feels like you're moving the goal posts a bit here. You were approached, which gives you at least one piece of personal experience that your usual issue with women not having to approach isn't true. You rejected her. But whatever pain she may have felt wasn't ''enough"?

Serious question, are you looking after yourself and your mental health during this pandemic? Are you taking your meds? Because this thought process isn't rational.

[–]defo18[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Okay so I got my first girlfriend after about a self improvement which I guess is good right that proves a self-improvement is a good option but that same girl only like me for how I looked and fetishize me and abused me mentally to the point where I can't trust anymore despite me being everything so good to her and forgiving and understanding

After that I am single and we had somewhere like that but she is doing objektiv Lee better than me despite being the abuser because she was born female

Terence Hill pay for her car but they didn't do that s*** for her brother and has the gall to hate on supposedly bad guys yet skeeps dating them and then telling me that I'm the guy that she really wants

I have improved on a lot of things in my life and I'll admit I am a little hesitant to try and do some new challenges because all I have taken away from that experience is that women only like you when you are at the finish line and women can have the most horrible personalities ever and still be gifted the gift of love and romance much more easily

This girl made me save myself for her and then cheated on me and then years after made fun of me for being a virgin.

Most women do not understand this thing you're putting your best foot forward and even coming so close to your romantic goals and then just to spend the next few years alone not because you haven't tried and not because you're an idiot but because you just have not had a yes yet while everyone else is getting experiences that you know you need as a man to not feel stupid and to avoid being made fun of and having your masculinity question because unfortunately it seems like women are subconsciously still attracted to the older model of the knight in shining armor who never falters and who never fails

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I'm not saying people aren't saying these things ay all. I'm just confused by who is saying them?

You're getting it from the women in your family and some friends? They're the ones who are saying these things?

It is not 'completely socially acceptable'. You feel it is and you have people telling you it is. But that's not the same thing as it being true.

Of course boys aren't stupid. Well, I'm sure some are, same as some girls are clever and some are stupid. And girls can be awful people.

I don't know how many more times I can say this most people know and agree that women can be awful people. I'm not saying you haven't met people who think women are perfect, I'm just suggesting that just because the people around you are saying it doesn't make it true or a thing 'society as a whole' thinks.

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You don't understand I'm just now being able to stand up to most women because I was raised by nothing but abusive single women and they weren't all bad but now that I'm older I'm seeing a lot of the things they told me we're just not true in a lot of the things that happened to them with her own fault

I had two girls used to pull up me and Middle School but everyone in my class will come at me harder because I was the boy and boys were supposed to be tougher and stronger

Combine that with my height in my size my whole entire life has been one giant Defiance of my gender role and not everyone is calling me brave for doing it but if I was a girl I would be called brave.

Right now the media is pushing that girls can be everything and anything and that is good but please do not make the mistake that boys have gotten the same thing because boys can be anything they want only if they are strong and masculine

The few Princes and Michael Jackson's in the world had to face a lot of bulshit exactly because they were effeminate in artistic men and yes they may have gotten them success but that success had a lot of pain and Trauma before it

I don't know where you were raised but I was raised in the Southern United States we're gender roles armor certainly not changing as quickly as we would like so I'm sorry if I am a little angry that I'm not seeing my own role being flexible or even destroy

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I was raised in the North of England. There are definitely understandings of gender roles here that are enforced, but I suspect they're less strong than in the Southern US.

I agree that there needs to be a bigger push for men to be able to perform a variety of gender roles - including things that are considered 'weak', 'soft' or 'effeminate'.

That's the thing, I don't disagree with you that men should be able to act how they want without being belittled. I don't even disagree with your anger at being forced into a gender role that wasn't right for you and your self expression.

The only thing I disagree with you on is that currently your anger often seems to come out at being angry with women as a group. By all means be angry with society for still having some strict gender ideas (especially in the Southern US) and be angry with your mother/female family members who pushed these things on you. But try not to be angry with women in general - we're all stuck in the same crappy society and some of us are also angry about the gender roles forced on both men and women.

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Because I was naive when I thought feminist and Society, I would think most of society is probably down with feminism which means most women have feminist thoughts

Society has a fear that innocent women will somehow come across a horrible man and Destroy her World which is not far from the truth. Yet

I wasn't open and happy and confident and innocent boy who ran across the worst type of female

Mama wings are going to be at work and I know that but it gets hard to even think I have a chance when I can't even seem to try out to find a better love and I feel like a lot of that has to do with being brought up as soft and effeminate and people try to make me more manly but I hated them for it and now I feel like I should have listened because otherwise I wouldn't have such a problem finding women

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