Feministic Indoctrination from a young age and "masculinity shaming"

TheeRyanGrey · 2013-11-14T08:31:31+00:00

We live in a society where male traits, instincts, strengths, and needs have become negative or wrong or evil.

Ironically, the most overly masculine, dominant men are getting harems without trying.

Be a Caveman my comrades. I made the switch and I can never go back. Pick your girl up, slam her into your apartment wall, and kiss her like the world is dying tomorrow. Carry her ass to bed and just throw her on that shit. Don't even kiss her just rip her clothes off with your fucking teeth.

Caveman.

RAGING_ERECTION · 2013-11-14T09:53:38+00:00

I think a lot of men went through similar, if not exactly the same thing - myself included. In school it seems like boys are punished for masculine behaviour and rewarded for feminine behaviour. Do you think that this has anything to do with the fact that most teachers in school are female?

I think you're lucky you've started to figure this out at a young age. I'm 24 and I've been slowly been figuring this stuff out over the last few years (coincidently as the result of some bad break-ups).

My teenage years were a mixture of anger, confusion, depression and self-hating. I wish I had read all this stuff when I was 16!

IDGAFwhatmyREStagis · 2013-11-14T09:54:44+00:00

I can clearly remember girls getting preferential treatment over the boys in my early school days.

Like when we had to get changed for PE (gym class for you americans) we didn't have lockerrooms so the girls would change in the classroom while the boys had to go out into the corridor to change. The reasoning being that girls modesty needed to be protected, but boys could get changed in public and it didn't matter.

The teachers (naturally all female) always seemed to be much quicker to shout at the boys while giving girls the benefit of the doubt for any wrongdoing.

This kind of institutionalized sexism against the boys led to me actually believing that girls were somehow superior and special. I think I was taught to put them on a pedestal.

[deleted] · 2013-11-14T04:54:15+00:00

You're lucky you caught it early, assuming you're in college.

roadhand · 2013-11-14T10:38:16+00:00

This will get worse since this type of indoctrination has not run its full course yet. The women who do this are self centered and don't look past the 'how do I feel/instant gratification' part of their actions.

What will be the effect on society of a generation of men who have been betamaxed since birth? Two generations?

Will we still inspire men to build civilizations? Architects with minds that still see both beauty and function? Toolmakers to create ways for them to do this in new ways? Even the farmer who typically stands alone and figures things out for himself and puts food on our tables needs the personal strength we encourage here.

There is no honor in crushing another person for your own agenda, and there is no vision in allowing your feminist peers and views to do it en masse to men, women and society as a whole. Yes, women too will suffer from this in the long run.

The two current dynamics are at odds. Most females/feminists want social status to be conferred, not earned, as if it were a right; here, we better ourselves knowing that this makes society better too.

Glad you are here to help. Welcome.

No_DOX_for_you · 2013-11-14T08:22:01+00:00

Interesting. I was betaized completely the other way around. Growing up in Eastern Europe masculinity was more or less supported because there is military conscription, there is the attitude of "what kind of soldier will you be if you are a cry-baby" etc. There was this ethos of the manly Commie worker with the big hammer etc.

But the problem is, status competition and dominance games and bullying amongst boys already in preschool, and all through elementary and middle, if you end up on the losing side of it, you get incredibly betaized or omegaized.

I present this as a quasi-scientfic, testable theory. If status and dominance competition, dueling, bullying was common in prehistoric males, then the losers of the competition had better chances to survive if they become timid, introverted, shy. Actually some theories say this is how depression works too. But being some introverted, timid, shy guy is a good way of avoiding to offend someone who could kill you. It's openly accepting submission. So I think this is an evolved behavior, if you tend to lose in thise dominance competitions your hormonal system quickly turns you into a timid, shy introvert with no self-esteem nor confidence.

Basically humiliate a man or a boy often enough and his T production shuts down. This should be testable.

I would say about 30% of the boys of our class, 5 out of 15 boys ended up in the outcast, marginalized, bullied range and all of us were timid, shy, intoverted, submissive, lacking confidence.

We all had late inset puberty, probably because humiliation shut down our T. Often did not have to shave often at 17. Ho Chi Min beards etc.

Contrary to popular stereotypes - clever nerds, stupid jocks - we were not all smart. I think the reason this stereotype developed that if a guy is both dumb and unmanly nobody even notices his existence. Out of 5, 2 were dumb, 1 average, 2 smart. The 2 smart were occasionally noticed by saying something witty and really funny, which caused a short "sigma" status, gaining some strange kind of respect, being outside the hierarchy, like a court jester. Some of the jocks, bullies were smart. Not intellectual, not deep, but very good students.

What causes losing out in these competitions and getting humiliated? Mostly something neurological that manifests itself as cowardice. I remember being 4 years old and not daring to step down on an average street curb. Mom had to lift me down every time.

I would also say, dad working 16 hours a day and being raised 99% by mom did not help either.

At any rate, what I want to say that if women don't humiliate boys for being boys, boys themselves will happily do so with the lower 30% or so who lose out in the dominance - status - bullying competitions i.e. who are not boys enough.

W-Z-R · 2013-11-14T13:03:24+00:00

My mum is lovely but a bit of feminist who wanted me to be the geeky kid

My dad is hyper-masculine but distant and sorta did shame me for being a pussy in a disappointed nasty way rather than helping me man up

At school any sort of masculine behaviour was shamed the girls were treated better for being docile and helpful and any sort of competitive thinking was viewed as pathological

My voice was maybe the last to break, probably in the year, so I never approached women until my final year of school because I knew I was unattractive

I'm 20 now, 6'3, work out everyday-was shit growing up but hey, I'm glad I got here young

The thing which always gets me though is how many young men (especially the shy nerdy ones) ask women what they want and get fed the BS about being kind and caring only to be given the "being nice does not entitle you to sex, you evil manipulative person" spiel.

[deleted] · 2013-11-15T18:17:33+00:00

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ChaoticParadox · 2013-11-14T06:32:49+00:00

It's maddening really. To realize you were the oppressed gender, yet raised to believe the direct opposite.

[deleted] · 2013-11-14T15:19:02+00:00

all of this is true in my experience, but what's worse is that i had many anti-male teachers who graded girls better overall and punished boys more severely when they acted out. there's a serious anti-male bias in primary education, but kids aren't aware of it and can't act on it. it's obvious if you look at stats on male and female performance in primary education, since boys have been falling in their academic performance and becoming more delinquent and addicted over the last couple of decades.

to use some social justice jargon, it's a form gendered institutional oppression. but it's happening to men (the privileged class), so those who run education in the U.S. (women indoctrinated with radical feminism) don't give a shit about the data because the "privileged" can't be victims of discrimination or oppression by definition. hiding behind pseudo-intellectual theory is a very tidy and sneaky way to bring about institutional favor of one group over others.

[deleted] · 2013-11-14T20:35:48+00:00

I have a very vivid and distinct memory that I feel like sharing because it seems to make a lot more sense now in the light of everything I have read here. I was always a shy and weak kid growing up. I was bad at sports so I always felt a bit ostracized from other boys and to make matters worse I grew up with all females since my dad was always at work, so I never really felt comfortable although I really longed to belong and perform.

Anyway, I remember in 1st grade in the middle of class we were doing some group project, for some reason instead of being a loner this time I was in a group of boys and we were all talking, laughing and being very rambunctious. I remember having an awesome time because I wasn't usually very social with other boys and these were some of the "popular" ones.

Eventually we must have upset the teacher a lot because she screamed at our group in front of everyone and made us come to the front of the room and one by one scolded and shamed us for what we were doing. When she finally turned to me however, she added that "I expected this from the other boys, but you? I'm so dissapointed in you versilov"

I also think growing up with all women fucked me up a lot. It was especially bad for me, because I was a middle child and I was essentially raised by my grandmother, and two female maids in their early 20s. Understandably, they loved and praised my younger and older sisters and I was sort of left by the wayside. "Why are you not more like your sister?" Hell, when I first started going to therapy when I was 18 after hitting the lowest of the lows, the first thing I told my male psychiatrist was that I wished I would have been more like my sisters, who are popular, well liked and esteemed within and outside our home.

God damn. So many unfelt feels.

Gstreetshit · 2013-11-14T15:45:33+00:00

What if, the leaders of society (alpha males) are pushing the feminization of young men so that they and their offspring can keep a hold on the world. Less competition from men at large if we are all raised to be pussies. Cue twilight zone music. do do dooo do do do dooo do

Nitzi · 2013-11-14T16:42:33+00:00

No wonder most of us can't help but be bitter.

those are still beta or AFCs

[deleted] · 2013-11-14T18:02:49+00:00

Sounds like my childhood, bro.

headingtoshore · 2013-11-14T18:21:01+00:00

Your story here traces some of the outlines of the anti male cult that controls all aspects of childhood and early education, and of course as their students mature, they have adherents at all levels of advancement.

So we need on line accredited schools, we need due process of law, we need men's rights. We need humanitarianism. We need to care that this is still happening to boys , boys we will never meet. We need to care about those boys, and work to break the cult.

HeadingRed · 2013-11-14T19:49:33+00:00

It's not limited to or just feminist indoctrination, it's indoctrination period. Thinking this only benefits feminists is short sighted. What this does produce is a docile capable workforce that accepts status quo, subjugates itself to leadership and stifles dissent.

Who is your indoctrination good for and who stands to make money off this? Who has a need for a skilled, educated and docile group of people. While we may look to feminism as the engine, the main benefactor are the businesses who get male grey-matter processing power but keep quiet and don't ask for much for themselves.

It's the perfect engine for a stable compliant worker base. Comes out of school quiet, well mannered, and shuns anything that upsets those who make the rules and set the agenda.

If I was hiring in the white collar world I would snap up these people by the truckload. I might grab a couple of men that broke the mold, but not too many because they might go after my job. What I want are task-capable but docile workers.

isthatyourdaughter · 2013-11-14T20:46:33+00:00

Rollo answered this the best IMO:

http://therationalmale.com/2013/01/07/queens-workers-drones/

zxcvbnm000 · 2013-11-15T06:57:19+00:00

I'm bitter personally, because I had it basically right all along, but if a lie is repeated enough time people start to believe it.

I was so rambunctious that I was uncontrollable and partly relied on instinct beyond my own control, so apparently got a target on my back for that. Any mis-step and it would seem like you're one step away from life ending legal trouble. Get in a scrap in elementary school? "You can end in juvy and ruin your life forever".

Also, sometimes I feared being becoming some kind of social pariah if I even showed any affection to a girl that happened to not like me. With feminist doctrines mixed with more traditional "never hit a girl" and "you should ask before you hold hands or kiss, etc", it's a recipe for betaization if you also had survival instincts in play that wanted to adapt to the situation.

Luckily, it would seem that a man will always try to break free, and then some of us also end up where we are here and swallowing the red pill.

Title	Feministic Indoctrination from a young age and "masculinity shaming"
Author	No_DOX_for_you
Upvotes	58
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Date	November 14, 2013 3:12 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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