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All six winners of the teachers of the country are females. I'm sure they are great teachers but it also make me wonder if the decision was also political

ImplementNational165

May 27, 2021
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Title All six winners of the teachers of the country are females. I'm sure they are great teachers but it also make me wonder if the decision was also political
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ImplementNational165

Upvotes 53
Comments 63
Date May 27, 2021 4:13 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/nmayyi/all_six_winners_of_the_teachers_of_the_country/
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Comments

[–]Standard_Owl_2808 64 points65 points66 points 5 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

Most teachers are female. So the likelihood that all six winners would be female is very probable.

[–]Eoasap 49 points50 points51 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Most engineers are men, that doesn't stop women from claiming they deserve all the top positions, irrelevant of qualifications or job performance.

Why does the 'push for diversity' only go in certain directions?

[–]Successful_Warthog58 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Marxism. They gave up with class now they are full steam ahead with race and gender. White men are the the new bourgeoisie oppressing literally every other demographic who are the proletariat, if you disagree you are a sexist racist bigot

[–]gundamjazz -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing to do with Marxism, stop this paranoid nonsense.

[–]Whitemantle -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most engineers are men, so the first six engineers to win prizes like these were also men? End of discussion.

[–]Bretty64 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because of history.

[–]ImplementNational165[S] 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

That is true, but not even a single men?

[–]SuperSupremeKai 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Try and imagine, say, best 6 software engineers. Most, if not all, would be male.

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For some reason I keep imagining them all female in order to increase female interest in STEM by setting role models.

[–]ImplementNational165[S] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would imagine that the ratio will be 4:2 in favor males. At least one female

[–]schmadimax 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that's actually quite possible that they're doing it to spark interest in more girls to want to go into that kind of role if they have more females getting awards in categories such as software engineering and STEM.

[–]name2electricbogalo 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How many male teachers are there

[–]Successful_Warthog58 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My wife is a teacher and theres not one single man in her school of 20 teachers apart from the caretaker. It is the same for fully 1/4 of all state junior schools in the uk. In far too many parts of the country there are countless boys from fatherless homes who have seen no male role model until they get to secondary school. By then many are lost to gang culture Yet still there are no quotas for men going into early years teaching.

[–]CityCareless 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Kind of hard for there to be/fill quotas when there are no men interested in being teachers for the shit pay (in the US at least)...maybe if the profession was better paid and more respected it would attract more males into teaching...maybe check your own sexism, bias with regard to historically male/female professions. Are you a teacher? Why or why not. Are any of your male acquaintances? Why or why not.

[–]d_nijmegen 25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't hear the same argument for black actors and Oscar's. From the main stream. Then it's racism....

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[–]d_nijmegen 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, to be very honest one of the reasons for that was racism. Producers and directors would prefer white people for main roles regardless of whether a black person who auditioned for it was better.

Well to be very honest, one of the reasons was sexism. Judges and directors would prefer a woman teacher for the prize, regardless of whether a man who was eligible for it was better.

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[–]d_nijmegen 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So we agreed that the whole thing stinks? In both cases?

[–]Tian_Lord23 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, especially at the primary school level (up to 11 years old). I remember when I finished primary school there wasn't a single male teacher, teaching assistant or admin staff. I always felt this was the reason the boys would always be blamed whenever something happened, though a boy probably did do it.

[–]dannydecheeto7 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If this was in a male dominated film like engineering than it would be sexism if the winners were male, American society views female dominated fields as victories, and male dominated ones as signs of oppression

[–]RandomEqualist 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

thats true, good thinking

[–]HiderBehinder 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

No male chosen probability is 39% which is quite high.

[–]Jackdaniel548 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Statistically 1-2 of them would be men

[–]CityCareless -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Based on? Do you have the actual numbers of how many teachers in the US are male vs female in K-12 or are you just pulling that number out of thin air?

[–]Jackdaniel548 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Did you even bother to try and use google before posting that comment? Jesus Christ you’re a stupid/lazy human being. Like maybe attempt to figure things out on your own before making stupid comments. It’s incredibly easy to find this data if you take some initiative. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/clr

[–]CityCareless -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You’re the one making the claim. Maybe post your citation of what your basing it on in your initial comment. Why do I need to do the work for myself? Way to go on the insults. Real classy.

[–]Jackdaniel548 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

“Why do I need to do the work myself?” Typical lazy mentality, maybe because part of being an intelligent thinker is cross checking claims people make on the internet? Even if I posted something you shouldn’t assume it’s true prior to researching it on your own

[–]CityCareless -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You made the claim. You back it up. That way you can look as smart as you think you are and teach people something in the process. Here let me fix it for you: Based on this (insert website) one could rationally expect that 1-2 of those receiving the award would be male.

I could click on the link and never have to engage you in the first place. You’re being disingenuous by putting the labor to verify the claim you made on me. And you insult me to boot. But keep at it with that shit attitude. Keep thinking that just because 25% of teachers are male, the awardees need to automatically break down the same way. 🙄 Keep crying snowflake. Complaining about now being victims of everything you’re allegedly enduring that women have dealt with for ages isn’t a good look. Be better.

[–]Jackdaniel548 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m crying? I’m not the one crying, you are. I do plead guilty to all charges that I insulted you.

[–]CityCareless -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell me you’re an insufferable woman hating chump without telling me you’re an insufferable woman hating chump. And yes I’m crying because I’m laughing so hard and yo ridiculously childish tit for tat.

[–]ImplementNational165[S] 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Also I will like to add to only 3 out of the 15 teachers nominated to the prize were males

[–]melk8 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They were nominated? That’s even more of a reason to be questioning why it’s only females up there

[–]Whitemantle -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly are you not seeing why your post is rediculous? You see sexism where there is none...

[–]AccomplishedAndHappy 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That bloody patriarchy and its [shuffles cards] letting women win awards in a field in which they dominate.

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gasp Where's the diversity?!?

[–]I_Require_STERLING 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The majority of teachers are female. I doubt it was political.

[–]name2electricbogalo 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Well the standard teacher is a woman, so of course they'll win the awards, most scientists who win awards are male, is that political?

[–]ImplementNational165[S] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Aren't there women who wins Nobel prizes? I can think of a few females who do

[–]name2electricbogalo 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being a scientists requires being smarter so yes there will be more female scientists winning awards than male teachers (i assuming here) but even then, the standard nobel prize winner is a male, also male teachers win prizes too

[–]Blaze0205 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably cause there are more female teachers, but you would think 1 of them would be a guy, I don’t really see too much of an issue.

[–]RidingChicken 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I sincerely think this decision is apolitical. Statistically this is very likely. I would expect the statistical representation to appear say if there were 100 winners. 6 is way too low to quote statistics. Anyone with a reasonable knowledge of data science will agree to this

While I criticize modern feminism for the garbage pile it's become, I will say that one statement they made is very appropriate

'Men and boys win most if not all the prize. It puts women down and are supposed to not tell anything. But if it's all women winning a certain prize, men immediately get butt hurt and start asking for proof and statistics '

Also I checked it seems 3 nominees were male. It might be that these women are qualified more? Why is it that we assume the worst every single time?

[–]ImplementNational165[S] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not saying that the woman are not qualified, I'm sure they are great teachers, but

  1. I would exceed at least one male

  2. There have been multiple cases of political decisions in thus kind of things. Three months ago, a judge admitted that he had to select a winner because she was a women. Also, one professor was denied is award because of a political stance, and the supreme court is now discussion it

[–]Most-Laugh703 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

okok this is gonna seem like i’m anti-mrm but hear me out. i think women are generally seen as more ‘safe’ and empathetic if that makes sense. especially with elementary school teachers.

i don’t think it’s right, but regardless, the narrative has been instilled into people. and, 76% of teachers are female, which might’ve also added to it. it could also be coincidental, but there might be a political side to it, i understand that POV

[+]Ody_ssey -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

That's fine. Most men aren't into teaching. The pannel of winners look very diverse and almost looks like those posters on diversity which is unlikely to be achieved in real world if merit is the absolute measure.

It means it's a politically influenced decision and they overlooked those women who deserved the award but weren't from diverse background. Intersectional feminism will come for women too.

[–]TerminusStop 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Most men aren't into teaching.

Do you actually believe that? Because there used to be a lot of make teachers. Not only that, but higher levels of education have more male teachers.

Maybe something in the last few decades has caused men to not seek out this profession... Like being presumed to be a creep of some sort..

[–]Ody_ssey 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that's the reason. Men are presumed paedophiles if they make students laugh or if students consider them their role model. These rumours spread quickly and even male teachers come to know about these rumours. The problem starts rising when these rumours reach to parents who then demand schools to not assign him as a subject teacher of their children.

Schools are very hostile towards men.

[–]d_nijmegen 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

And the pay is crap.

[–]Ody_ssey 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Men who love teaching with passion opt teaching anyway. But as they stay for longer, it becomes toxic to stay in schools for more than 2 years.

[–]d_nijmegen 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but the pay is also a major factor.

[–]Most-Laugh703 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

my parents are both teachers, if you stick with it you can get upwards of 70k/yr salary. it’s universally shitty, but my parents made the point that they only work 9 months out of a year. but my family was on food stamps when my dad first started teaching and my mom was still in college. it’s pretty sad

[–]d_nijmegen 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I live in a different country. Here you basically get paid for less than you actually work. And vacation time is spent on work at school for a big part of it.

[–]Panderjit_SinghVV 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It varies quite a bit with location.

In some areas the pay is significantly above average and the demands are pretty low: an average education, minimal accountability, near 100% security, a good pension, and it’s about 40% of full time.

[–]d_nijmegen 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know where you live. But here it's absolutely not true

[–]Most-Laugh703 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yea. that’s how it is ak, once you work long enough. my dads been in his district for 20 years and he makes 80k a year now. he is a sped teacher but it’s pretty damn high for a teacher.

insurance is shit for us though.

[–]Punder_man 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or you know.. a male teacher grade's his class fairly on assignments / tests but a girl who failed starts up a rumor as revenge and then suddenly he ends up under investigation and gets sacked all for a false accusation..

[–]Whitemantle 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf those women look like what women look like in Israel. Idiot

[–]Ilikevats19737o 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't this it has to do with anything your fuelling the narrative that we have women (which we don't but feminists can use it his as propeganda)

[–]Half-blind-bear 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah man. This is some victim mentality shit. I have no doubt this is legit. There are more Female than male teachers so it makes sense. Would be like complaining about 5 men winning an engineering award.

Congrats to these ladies they obviously work very hard.

[–]ImplementNational165[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

100% feminist would complain about this. But not even a single male teacher? They have been cases of judges admitting they have to select a woman

[–]Half-blind-bear 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I want us to be better than that. Don't post the article celebrating the victory post the article showing evidence of tampering with results.

[–]who_dis_bichh 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey dude, friendly advice to you: try not to see politics everywhere.

I know what you meant with your past, but I belive we should value merit over diversity, and merit is genderless.

[–]LiberalCombatVet 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most teachers K-12 are females, so that's not terribly surprising.

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