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UK: Teenager, 18, avoids jail after lying that she had been raped by a stranger when her boyfriend wouldn't let her back into the house after a row

furchfur

March 10, 2021
214 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9346055/Teenager-18-avoids-jail-lying-raped-stranger.html
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Title UK: Teenager, 18, avoids jail after lying that she had been raped by a stranger when her boyfriend wouldn't let her back into the house after a row
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furchfur

Upvotes 214
Comments 23
Date March 10, 2021 4:51 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/m220u9/uk_teenager_18_avoids_jail_after_lying_that_she/
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Comments

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 40 points41 points42 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And note how the police have no concern for any man who might have been wrongly accused by her, or even set-up by the police. Instead, all they care about is the "...negative impact on other victims of rape or sexual assault".

[–]furchfur[S] 37 points38 points39 points 5 years ago* (19 children) | Copy Link

In the UK it appears that 95% of all allegations of rape made to the police are false.

Appox 5% of all allegations in th UK result in a conviction. This is after masses of resources and money being thrown at convicting more men.

If there is any hint of wrong doing a man is taken to court. Of all the cases that go to a jury, 50% are found that the defendent is not guilty.

Imagine the strength and credibility of the 90% cases that never make it to court!

[–]ImportantResults 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It would be great to know how much damage those false allegations still do, because I bet that's their purpose... they might not result in a conviction but they still destroy the reputations and some times the life of the accused men.

[–]Xon999 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially talking UK, those guys have basically been convicted by The Court Of Public Opinion and charged with being accused, sentenced to loss of credibility, being fired from their job, and a permanent negative reputation before they get to the actual court.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile, false-rape allegations are very rarely investigated, and even rarely prosecuted. Indeed, all such potential prosecutions have to be "vetted" by the CCP — Chief Crown Prosecutor — to ensure they are "in the public interest":

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/false-allegations-rape-andor-domestic-abuse-see-guidance-charging-perverting-course

And in the past few years, 100% of all prosecutions of false rape accuses have been successful. This means that only the clearest and most severe cases are prosecuted. In alleged rape cases, the balance of probability of conviction only has to be 50% for a prosecution and trial to start.

[–]el_doherz 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't assert that the low conviction rate is solely down to false accusations.

Just because lots of cases are too flimsy to make it to court doesn't make them all false. Rape prosecution is not and never will be a black and white issue. So you can't talk about it like it is one.

Rape even when it has actually occurred is an absolute nightmare to convict because barring immediate rape kits, good forensic evidence or incriminating CCTV it becomes a he said she said game. As long as we live in a fair and just society that will always be the case.

Idiots making incorrect blanket statements like this just make it a million times easier for feminists to paint us as evil misogynists and ignore our actual arguments.

We don't win by being them, we only progress by being better. It isn't fair but that's how it is.

[–]SnooBeans6591 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, next time you are doing some parody of feminist logic, I think it would be nice to end with #feminist-logic or something.

I mean it's pretty clear that the 95% of accusations which don't result in a conviction are not all guilty as RAINN would like us to believe, but it's also clear that not all 95% are not false accusations.

But it's only clear to people who think and some people might think you are serious. So some little note that it's a parody would be nice.

[–]AdamChap 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

95% Is because it's very hard to prosecute in many cases. Estimated figure on false cases is about 5-7% I have heard.

[–]Metrack14 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the UK it appears that 95% of all allegations of rape made to the police are false.

Appox 5% of all allegations in th UK result in a conviction. This is after masses of resources and money being thrown at convicting more men

Welp, guess I'm not going to UK in my life. Frick that crap.

[–]AreYou4RealM8 -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

This is heavily flawed logic. 40% of murders are unsolved and do not lead to a conviction, does that mean 40 percent of murder victims were not actually killed?

[–]furchfur[S] 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

It is not the same.

You cannot tell if a woman has been raped. Very subjective. There is usually no physical evidence but you can tell if someone has been killed.

Also:

With an unsolved murder, until someone is convicted it could be suicide or manslaughter or a self defence plea. So you cannot catagorically say they were murdered.

[+]AreYou4RealM8 -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

So if a woman reports a rape, there are signs of physical rape, and video evidence she was raped but it does not lead to a prosecution due to lack of evidence....she falls into that 95 percent that you've declared are making false allegations. That doesn't seem dumb to you?

[–]ImportantResults 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd like to see a case with all that evidence that doesn't result in prosecution or conviction, so far seems only fiction to prove a point.

Generally one or two allegations that seem to match are enough for a conviction.

[–]furchfur[S] 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Yes BUT no dumber than women saying only 5% of rapes result in a conviction.

Which is reported daily!

So I choose to go with "Innocent until proved guilty" and 95% of rapes are false allegations because no one was convicted. Using the same feminist logic

I will never subscribe to "Believe all victims". I see the damage that does.

[–]AreYou4RealM8 -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

How is that innocent until proven guilty? You are literally declaring these women guilty of filing a false police report without a conviction.

Thats exactly the opposite of innocent until proven guilty.

[–]furchfur[S] 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Who went to the police in the first place! Tha accuser. The CPS should be prosecuting thousands of more women for making false allegations. To the extent that 50% of all women accused of making a false allegation are found not guilty

This is roughly the rate for men accused of rape. 50% found not guilty.

Why do they have a different yard stick for prosecuting rape and false allegation of rape.

[–]novhaku 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Thats exactly the opposite of innocent until proven guilty.

That's not how due process is supposed to work, no. If there isn't any proof, then the accusation is baseless to begin with. He's not accusing her of anything, the woman is guilty of a baseless report since she made the accusation and there's no proof of its legitimacy. There being no proof doesn't mean that she's right as well. If an accusation is baseless, it holds no ground.

[–]AreYou4RealM8 -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Right. So you feel the vast majority of sexual assaults reported by men are false allegations right? Since there is very rarely a conviction?

You think the majority of men are lying about their victimization right?

Because I disagree.

[–]BringTheFingerBack 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Look at the case of the ulster rugby players a few years ago. Went to court and we're found not guilty based on all the evidence, a lot of evidence. End up losing his ireland career because the metoo movement needed their pound of flesh. Makes men a little jaded when it comes to all this 'could have' talk.

[–]novhaku 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Except that men don't even report it in the first place. And there's an huge difference between there being no proof after investigation and the case not being taken seriously and not reaching this point in the first place. Most "unsolved" cases towards men are after an in-depth investigation. With cases towards women, it doesn't even reach this level of investigation in the first place and isn't taken seriously, therefore we can't know how many of them would be true or not in the end.

When it's about an agression towards a man where the investigation is taken seriously, yes, I do think the exact same thing. Presumption of innocence. The problem being that it rarely reaches that point and is rarely taken seriously because of a biased system in the first place, so there's no incentivization when it comes to lying. The man isn't going to be believed anyway. That's the difference you seem to miss. There's no point in lying about something people will not care about anyway. There is a point in lying in situation when know you're going to be considered a victim and taken seriously. Or are you going to say that men are taken as seriously as women when it comes to this now? So, your point will stand the day men will be taken as seriously as women. Until then, nope. This is a an huge false equivalence despite the context around an accusation towards a man and towards a woman being wildly different..

Comparing the two is dishonest to no end. So far, the only cases that are taken seriously are cases that are coming from women. That's a discussion we'll be able to have when men will be taken half as seriously as women are, which isn't the case right now, and hopefully we'll reach this point one day. Accusations towards men go through a throughout investigation, and sometimes despite this investigation are still found to be baseless, accusations towards women aren't taken seriously at all in the first place. We'll be able to debate this the day the man will not be assumed to be the actual culprit of the agression even if he reports, which isn't true for women, where even due process gets thrown out the window. Then, we'll be able to say that the man is probably lying for benefits as well. Comparing two situations that are asymmetrical is stupid. There is no point in lying about something when you know that most of the time, you're going to be the one blamed for it anyway; it is hardly similar to a situation where even due process gets ignored for your sake.

[–]pacmatt27 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Patently untrue. Can we not say things as stupid as this. People already don't take men's rights seriously.

[–]2facedkaro 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reading the excuse for the woman's lies made me wonder if people actually find it an acceptable excuse. 'Throwaway remark' - about being raped? how fucking stupid can you be. Being raped is soul destroying and they think its an acceptable excuse to say she made a 'throwaway remark' about being raped?

Don't even get me started on 'the relationship may have pushed her down a particular line' fuck you it is your fault that you lied. Your boyfriend didn't make you lie. You did.

Comments from the story as below:

"Her solicitor, Mark Glendenning, said she had 'found herself on a rollercoaster after making a throwaway remark' to her boyfriend that she'd been raped.

'Every step down that road made it much more difficult to recant and go backwards,' he said, adding that she was no longer in a relationship with her boyfriend.

'The relationship might well have pushed her down a particular line - she was scared, confused and didn't really know what to do.'"

[–]BringTheFingerBack 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Believe all woman. At least she is getting her mental health looked after...thank god

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