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In 1788 a man was jailed for 6 years despite having an alibi for being the 'London Monster'. There were 50 reports, with women fabricating stories, false accusations, even injuring themselves. Historians believe the monster was entirely made-up hysteria. False accusations are not just a modern thing

SheerSocialSuicide

September 19, 2020
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Title In 1788 a man was jailed for 6 years despite having an alibi for being the 'London Monster'. There were 50 reports, with women fabricating stories, false accusations, even injuring themselves. Historians believe the monster was entirely made-up hysteria. False accusations are not just a modern thing
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Date September 19, 2020 7:35 AM UTC
(5 years ago)
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[–]Starmind0 66 points67 points68 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I hate it when people treat false accusations and any of the privilges women have to day as "modern things". They're not. Women have had those privileges centuries ago.

[–]SnooCheesecakes4786 40 points41 points42 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And they have resulted in big problems as well. The fucking Civil Rights movement got traction in no small part because of Emmett Till being lynched on account of a pearl clutching white woman who falsely accused him of sexual misconduct.

[–]InvestingBig 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Why do you think at certain time periods women's testimony was ignored or reduced in courts? It was not just some random act where women's testimony was very reliable and some asshole was like let's only count a woman's testimony as 1/5ths that of a man!

No, it was in response to crisis where women were giving lots of false testimony just like they do in modern times. In response, instead of ignoring the problem, society adapted by understanding that women often give false testimony.

Why we think policy in ancient times was just randomly created to oppress instead of being in response to real problems is insane.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The witch hunts were largely about conflicts between women and the use of false accusations to rile up others in the community.

[–]vestrise 23 points24 points25 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"False accusations are not just a modern thing"

I mean, plenty of black men lost their lives due to white women falsely accusing them back during the Jim Crow era. I've never understood why the wokesters never got on board with that one. You'd think it would be the perfect intersection of race, privilege, and bias. But it's men, so fuck 'em I guess.

[–]GOLDEN-WALKER 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The world is fucked up nothing will change

[–]InvestingBig 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It can change. For example, at certain points in history women's testimony was not viewed as reliable. The pendulum swings. What happens is society creates a policy that works so well we forget why the policy existed (such as not admitting women's testimony as evidence). Then, we view the policy as oppressive as we forgot it's origins. Next, the reason for the policy arises again (women giving tons of false testimony).

Over time, the pendulum swings and people realize that women's testimony is not reliable. This is the cycle of humans. Right now the pendulum is far in favor of women, but it will swing back. Unfortunately, it likely won't help you and me, but our grand-grand children.

[–]SirYouAreIncorrect 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

One of the reasons that number of accusers should not be a factor on is the accusation is factual, I dont know how many times I have heard people say something to the effect of "well 15 women have come forward so the allegation must be true"...

does not matter if it 1 allegation or 100, each allegation should be investigated on its own merits in isolation of the others and proven on their own factual basis.

[–]SpiritofJames 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bandwagon is not just a phenomenon in sports fandom.

[–]RyansPutter 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course they aren't a modern thing. There's one in Genesis, where Joseph is falsely accused by Potiphar's wife after he rebuffs her sexual advances.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

A woman simply cannot stand for another woman getting attention; hence, she must concoct her own lies to be included in whatever mass hysteria is currently popular.

N.B. The word "hysteria" is comes from the Greek word for "uterus". Think about that for a moment.

[+]hacker4chanUwU14 points 5 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t generalize that. Not all women are like this, but I’ve seen many be this way.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would :-D

[–]MyFatThumb -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If 100% of the world got coronavirus and only 30% exhibited symptoms, the other 70% were asymptomatic. Would I be generalizing if I said everybody has coronavirus?

[+]hacker4chanUwU6 points 5 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

No. But only 30% are showing signs. Also, being envious isn’t a sickness, and showing signs is literally the sickness, so your argument doesn’t make much sense, atleast to me.

[–]Mycroft033 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My thought is that women are people, plain and simple. And when you give people immunity or allow them to get away with stuff, a whole lot of them will go for it and take every advantage they can squeeze out of it. A whole lot of people will also not take advantage of that immunity, but the fact remains that more people will take advantage of others when they have immunity than the number of people who would take advantage of others if the immunity was nonexistent. This is displayed by every single group that has ever received privileges and immunity not given to everyone. Right now women have that immunity in several areas, sexuality being one of them. Therefore the number of women who take advantage of others is inflated due to this immunity. It doesn’t mean all women are this way. It doesn’t expose a fundamental female flaw. It just exposes a human flaw. When immunity is granted, more people will exploit their fellow humans or animals than if immunity is not there. It’s not a gendered issue. Feminism is creating the problem. Not females. Feminism hurts women as much as men, by accelerating their baser human behaviors. It’s a generalization to characterize women by those who take advantage of others, but it’s just as ignorant to say that the inflation does not exist.

[–]MyFatThumb 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

To clarify my CoVid analogy, you're only concerned about the obvious 30% you can see. The other unseen 70% of carriers will infect all new born babies and reinfect the cured, thus maintaining 100% infection of the world.

I obviously cant prove it but I'm confident that every woman has at some time in her life exaggerated a claim of sexual assault from at least the mildest levels, which nowadays are included in the forever growing encompassing scale of sexual assault. A lecherous stare, an ambiguous innuendo, a lingering touch, a clumsy advance, an unwanted compliment etc etc etc..... Men generally don't do this.

Lying for attention is a sickness, There are a plethora of disorders from Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) through to other cluster B Personality disorders and jealousy is one of the causes along with low self esteem and loneliness.

[+]hacker4chanUwU1 points 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

OP’s comment was generalizing ALL WOMEN ( that they would always be envious ), while you’re saying AT ONE POINT of their life, which is probably true lol. But not every woman is always envious

[–]MyFatThumb 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont really fully agree with the OPs statement, I'm just jousting for fun and practice. I'll concede.

[–]Amazing_Rope_Police 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One thing I want to mention - while I know prison back then was harsher than today, it speaks volumes about how fucked up our view of justice is that a suspected serial rapist was given 6 years. Apparently people back then thought 6 years in prison was a fitting punishment for a monster. Nowadays you can get more for weed possession in many countries. This should tell us something. I know that the rehabilitation vs punishment topic is hot enough as it is, but nobody seems to talk about the fact that even in more moderate European countries people are locked away for INCREDIBLY long time, when compared to what was historically accepted. This is simply put, inhumane. There's no practical reason to send someone to prison for 29 years for rape, for example. Yes, rape is horrible, but 20 years is effectively a lifetime. 20 years is not that different from a life sentence. Don't you guys think that we as a society should show compassion to the guilty, simply because we're supposed to be better than them? Vindictiveness doesn't help anyone.

[–]Svenskbtch 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think many would contend false accusations are also what caused the wave of lynchings in the first half of the last century.

But class and race have, I think, been equally important. I would surmise that most cases of ("successful") false accusations involved accusers that enjoyed a higher social status than the accused.

Am I wrong about that? Would love to know.

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