As a man all my life, I'm passionate about Men's Rights in all areas of life, and I want to empower the men around me. But there's one thing that I think is so important that we all realise.

Billy1510 · 2020-08-01T21:52:40+00:00

Low effort troll post.

trash62 · 2020-08-01T22:40:06+00:00

The menslib sub is thataway.

Seriously, the patriarchy is a conspiracy theory that is easily disproven by male disposability.

EricAllonde · 2020-08-02T01:03:07+00:00

The patriarchy myth is obvious nonsense when you live in a democracy where women comprise 53% of eligible voters.

We have the governments that women wanted, by definition. Women have 53% of the political power in our society, i.e. a majority.

If women choose not to run for political office themselves and instead are content to delegate that task to men, then it is their right to make that choice and it's just as valid as women choosing not to lay bricks, collect garbage or become mining engineers and to delegate those tasks to men. As women do, for the most part.

One of the problems that people have with feminism is that it's so bitterly opposed to free choice. Whenever women make choices that feminists disapprove of, feminists cry "patriarchy", blame men and demand that women be coerced into ~~toeing the line~~ behaving the way that feminists want them to behave.

How about instead we abolish the malevolent hate cult of feminism and just give people the freedom to do whatever they want to do, without judgement?

Young women do not want to run for office

The Problem for Women Is Not Winning. It’s Deciding to Run.

Rockmapper_ · 2020-08-01T21:54:23+00:00

Can you at least, with evidence, justify how we precisely live in a patriarchy?

Greg_W_Allan · 2020-08-01T23:29:05+00:00

Patriarchy theory is a creation of those women least able to empathise with the male condition. It serves only as a primer on how things would work if those women were in charge.

aussietoads · 2020-08-01T22:00:13+00:00

Feminism Is Patriarchy^TM

Sonic_The_Hamster · 2020-08-01T22:03:38+00:00

Go away, a patriarchy, hahahaha. Point out this patriarchy, show me where it can be seen and how it does damage to men.

I'm intrigued, I'm going to indulge you until I get bored. But come on, point out something that points to a patriarchy but I'll warn you in advance I know stats and I know myths that have been debunked, so if you're just a troll or feminist trying to make a point I'll spot it straight away.

I'll also consider no answer or evading answering from you as you just knowing you've been caught out.

mikesteane · 2020-08-02T01:02:39+00:00

The patriarchy is real

And your evidence is what exactly?

Ody_ssey · 2020-08-02T06:42:26+00:00

The patriarchy is real, and it hurts us.

Ok but what society can have in place of patriarchy?

d_nijmegen · 2020-08-01T22:29:27+00:00

https://youtu.be/zb89YALUzL4

Watch this and next time do not show up with a brand new account. They are not trusted

mikesteane · 2020-08-02T08:03:20+00:00

I think the faster that we understand that

Well give some evidence then.

Tank-o-grad · 2020-08-02T12:01:38+00:00

a real feminist wouldn't participate in misandry...

Always fun to give this one an airing...

The following is a very informed and highly reusable comment by Karen Straughan in response to a feminist who thinks the many blatant sexists among feminists aren't real feminists:

So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists".

That's not just "no true Scotsman". That's delusional self deception.

Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don't care. I've been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they've done under the banner of feminism, maybe you'd stop calling yourself one.

But I want you to know. You don't matter. You're not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls."

You're not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta's Network of Women's Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist.

You're not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were "ambivalent about their sexual desires" (if you don't know what that means, it's that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research because it's inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape.

You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male.

You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate.

You're not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there.

You're not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender.

You're not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands.

You're not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman's history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it's "part of her sexual history."

You're not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman's mouth is "not a crime" in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there. You're not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there's a "legal" way to rape them.

And you're none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based.

You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.

Seegurkenbruder · 2020-08-02T13:33:14+00:00

This probably isn´t the right sub for these kinds of discussions you should check out r/MensLib for these posts

iainmf · 2020-08-02T05:43:11+00:00

Men being in charge is real, and it hurts us.

I think the faster that we understand that men being in charge is a real thing, and that it isn't something that is OUR (as modern men's) fault, the faster we can close the gap between men and women in all parts of life.

Men being in charge causes inequality in men and women, the discussion of who is hurts more is beyond pointless, and is rather bigoted, no matter what side you're on.

I only write this post because I see a lot of people talking about how a lot of Men's Rights issues come from feminism, and while a lot of misandry does seem to get thrown around in feminist circles, the actual movement is not the enemy. A *real* feminist wouldn't participate in misandry, and whereas a lot of them do, a lot of them don't.

I'm not exactly sure what the point of this post was, I guess I just want to know how many of you agree or disagree with me. Men being in charge is just as much of an MRA issue as a feminist issue, and pointing out that Men's Rights issues are caused by men or women is pointless.

I've substituted a short definition of patriarchy based on your responses to comments. Sounds a bit weird when I put it like this doesn't it?

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