My girlfriend owns an apartment that she paid for on her own. Most of the young women I know either have financial independence or had it before they got married and had kids. If you truly don't know a single woman who has financial independence then you must be a complete social failure.
So you're saying that people mentioning "financial independence" is more important than people actually being financially independent? Actually living it isn't enough, you need it to be a topic of discussion?
You sound like that woman on channel 4 trying to put words into Jordan Peterson's mouth. I'm saying that as a topic of conversation, financial independence has come up more with the men I know than the women. To the extent that I can't remember a woman ever saying to me how she was, e.g. paring down her lifestyle to save and invest more, and generate passive income.
It's not a matter of thinking that saying is more important than doing. That's not what I said/meant.
I'm saying that as a topic of conversation, financial independence has come up more with the men I know than the women.
You said "I can't even think of one woman I've met who's ever mentioned working towards financial independence on her own.".
That doesn't sound like "the topic comes up more with men", it sounds like "the topic has never come up with females". Am I putting words in your mouth or is that indeed what was said?
You now acknowledge that doing is more important than saying, so why the fuck are you using what people discuss rather than how they actually live to judge them?
I mean there are lots of good feminists, the only criteria for being a feminist really seems to be considering yourself one.
Plenty of feminists in 3rd world countries where women actually don't have rights. Or hell, even the feminists fighting against the fact that western culture(men and women) sort of pressures women to shave their armpits and legs, to wear makeup, do their hair and wear heels at work are doing a good thing and have legitimate gripes IMO.
But I definitely agree with you that the majority of it is bullshit. Modern pop-feminism is all about taking your problems and mistakes and blaming it on men instead of personal failure.
I don't understand people like you. You're making a false dichotomy of unregulated capitalism and communism, and you know it. Why do you continue to believe this stuff even though you know you need to be dishonest to even attempt to argue your point?
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I can't even think of one woman I've met who's ever mentioned working towards financial independence on her own.
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My girlfriend owns an apartment that she paid for on her own. Most of the young women I know either have financial independence or had it before they got married and had kids. If you truly don't know a single woman who has financial independence then you must be a complete social failure.
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So you're saying that people mentioning "financial independence" is more important than people actually being financially independent? Actually living it isn't enough, you need it to be a topic of discussion?
Fuck me...
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You sound like that woman on channel 4 trying to put words into Jordan Peterson's mouth. I'm saying that as a topic of conversation, financial independence has come up more with the men I know than the women. To the extent that I can't remember a woman ever saying to me how she was, e.g. paring down her lifestyle to save and invest more, and generate passive income.
It's not a matter of thinking that saying is more important than doing. That's not what I said/meant.
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You said "I can't even think of one woman I've met who's ever mentioned working towards financial independence on her own.".
That doesn't sound like "the topic comes up more with men", it sounds like "the topic has never come up with females". Am I putting words in your mouth or is that indeed what was said?
You now acknowledge that doing is more important than saying, so why the fuck are you using what people discuss rather than how they actually live to judge them?
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I mean there are lots of good feminists, the only criteria for being a feminist really seems to be considering yourself one.
Plenty of feminists in 3rd world countries where women actually don't have rights. Or hell, even the feminists fighting against the fact that western culture(men and women) sort of pressures women to shave their armpits and legs, to wear makeup, do their hair and wear heels at work are doing a good thing and have legitimate gripes IMO.
But I definitely agree with you that the majority of it is bullshit. Modern pop-feminism is all about taking your problems and mistakes and blaming it on men instead of personal failure.
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Yes, you put it perfectly. Including the idea that women are creating most of that pressure.
Another way I've heard it put is that the default for women is to do themselves up, theyre forced into making a statement just to look natural.
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Easy solution. Let women retire at 55 and men can work till 70. Cuz patriarchy.
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Where is that?
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I'm not exactly sure if this is the right sub for this, but it feels like pusspassdenial.
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I don't understand people like you. You're making a false dichotomy of unregulated capitalism and communism, and you know it. Why do you continue to believe this stuff even though you know you need to be dishonest to even attempt to argue your point?
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