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Mom dodges prison for being passed out on drugs as son froze to death

azbiker

December 13, 2017
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Title Mom dodges prison for being passed out on drugs as son froze to death
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azbiker

Upvotes 356
Comments 52
Date December 13, 2017 10:39 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7jn2da/mom_dodges_prison_for_being_passed_out_on_drugs/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 90 points91 points92 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Who's the nearest man to this? The drug dealer? We'll blame him for the child's death! Yeah! It's all his fault!

[–]bakedpotato486 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a no brainer. If he wasn't selling her drugs, she wouldn't have found herself in this terrible situation.

[–]Str8OuttaTheBoneZone 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was unmarried to, clearly she was the victim here!

[–]soEezee 56 points57 points58 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

“If Landyn was here, he would be happy right about now,” she told the newspaper. “Happy that Mommy gets to come home."

Except he won't be happy, he's dead. You allowed him to die in sub-freezing conditions and this statement is just a cop out to make you feel better.
Take some responsibility for what you did, fuck.

Edit:

tried to get back inside the home after getting out of the house the previous night.

So he was outside for a whole night and didn't get found out till the next day? Next night?

[–]The__Tren__Train 30 points31 points32 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Happy that Mommy gets to come home

this sentence is truly horrifying

[–]bortalizer93 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

idk about you fam, but i would be scared shitless everytime my drug guzzling mommy gets home

[–]not_just_amwac 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Next day, I think. He got out while she was passed out and then couldn't get back in.

This is something I worry about a little bit about my boys. In theory, they know better, and my youngest can't yet open the front and back doors, but my 4yo can. He can even reach the deadlocks. Granted I'm not on fucking drugs, but still.

[–]TwoBallsagna 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Fuck this bitch

[–]mwobuddy -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would.

[–]DarthCerebroX 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

God damn dude... why the fuck do you even post here? You never contribute anything meaningful to the conversation, you never post any informative information about men’s rights or men’s issues.

All you ever do is post here defending women who sleep with underage boys ... or post stupid shit like this that makes us look bad.

You think this is funny or what? You think this comment was witty or something?....

Or are you just so starved for female attention that you’d happily settle with getting your dick wet from this ugly ass meth head who let her son freeze to death while she was strung out?

Seriously... why the fuck are you here?

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

God damn dude...

ditto.

[–]Themightysavage 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In what world is this Justice? My greatest fear is that the second child will die from negligence as well.

[–]DarthCerebroX 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She shouldn’t even have that second child still! The article said she is supposed to comply with child services regarding her second child... but why the fuck haven’t they took that child from her? Isn’t their job to protect children from abusive and neglectful parents like this?

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

And the feminists say nothing.

[–]Ultramegasaurus 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nah, they only say something when one guy gets "only" 6 months probation for fingering a drunk broad he previously made out with.

But women systematically getting away with child abuse? Pfft, who cares?

[–]Celda -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you referring to Brock Turner? He went to jail, not just probation. And the reason was because he was fingering an unconscious woman, not just drunk.

[–]ckiemnstr345 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She did get rid of a person with a penis (aka rapist) so she'll be up for several feminist awards and invited to Congress.

[–]tprice1020 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Poor kid. What a terrible way to go. He must’ve been so scared.

[–]mysticalchimp 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's the saddest part. Locked out of his own home and having no idea what to do. That poor little fella

[–]mwobuddy -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well since he was so young he only got

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A little chilly.

[–]azbiker[S] 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where is the equal justice?

[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But, she will have to deal with this for the rest of her life! I wonder how she will cope? Hmmm.... perhaps with METH? Yea... probably with meth.

[–]NibblyPig 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“She’s going to have to live with this the rest of her life”

I expect that will take about as much toll on her as it will take on me when I forget about this article in 10 minutes

[–]TheRavenousRabbit 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope someone stuffs her in a freezer and accidentally "forgets" that she is in there.

[–]fernandito_chiquito 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Happy that mom's gonna go home again and keep using drugs

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Having read the article, it doesn't even sound like drugs caused her to pass out. She said she had been smoking meth a few days prior, which wouldn't make her pass out at all. Then she said she had been smoking weed the night of. Weed does not make you pass out. You might get tired, you might doze off, but you're not passed out and unaware of what's going on. She said she thinks she was sleeping heavier than normal, I believe that is just what her public defender told her to say to avoid jail time and it worked.

[–]RedForman- 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this is all kinds of fucked.

[+]Buck_j -12 points-11 points-10 points 8 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

Did anyone read the article?

She fell asleep, and “slept hard.” While she was asleep, her three year-old snuck outside and then couldn’t get back in. She had no idea he was out there.

That’s classic involuntary manslaughter and has nothing to do with mens rights.

It’s a tragedy but I fail to see how this isn’t a fair sentence. It’s an accident that could just as easily have happened if she was exhausted from a long work week or several poor nights of sleep.

[–]Ymoh- 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago* (19 children) | Copy Link

It’s a tragedy but I fail to see how this isn’t a fair sentence.

Yeah. If a nurse gave your grandpa the wrong medicine because she was inattentive due to drug use and he died... would you be ok with her getting away with it because “It’s an accident that could just as easily have happened if she was exhausted from a long work week or several poor nights of sleep”??

It is called being fucking responsible for your actions.

[–]Buck_j -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link

The facts that you just stated are not analogous to this case: (1) This woman was at home sleeping, not at work doing her job; and (2) This woman's "negligence" was physically being unconscious, not an affirmative act.

I'd also like to note that this woman did not "get away" with anything, her son is dead.

Edit. You're trying to say that a conscious act and an unconscious failure to act are the same thing. They are obviously not.

[–]azbiker[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Are you on the right tread? Or are you a troll? I'm sorry, but it seems like you are simply here to create an argument by means of excuses for her ineptitude.

[–]Buck_j -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I am not a troll lol. I am a defense attorney and as a result I tend to look at these situations a little differently from most. This woman made some bad choices and "slept heavy." (Edit-- arguably the heavy sleep is not even related to the bad choices). She never in a million years thought her kid would die as a result, and it's a one in a million chance that he did. It's a tragedy.

But what good would a prison sentence do for her or society? What would the point be? Only to punish her further.

She was sentenced to mandatory drug treatment and probation. This is a good result that allows her to care for her other child and get on with her life.

[–]Ymoh- 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

But what good would a prison sentence do for her or society? What would the point be? Only to punish her further.

I get it. People who steal crazy amounts of money and are unable to give it back because they spent it should not go to prison. It doesn’t help them or society.

Men who don’t pay child support because they can’t make enough money should not go to prison. It doesn’t help them or society.

Men who kill their wives should not go to jail. It doesn’t help them or society.

Instead, they should just take a course for anger management. This is a good result that allows them to care for their next wife and get on with their life.

For a defense attorney you seem to have a rather limited ability to discern how a standard for punishment under the law has some rather severe ramifications when applied to other actions that cannot be reversed any more than this one can.

[–]Buck_j 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

People who steal crazy amounts of money and are unable to give it back because they spent it should not go to prison. It doesn’t help them or society.

Not a crime of omission. Affirmative act where a decision was made.

Men who don’t pay child support because they can’t make enough money should not go to prison. It doesn’t help them or society.

I agree, they should not. How does that help provide for the child (the goal of child support)?

Men who kill their wives should not go to jail. It doesn’t help them or society. Instead, they should just take a course for anger management. This is a good result that allows them to care for their next wife and get on with their life.

Not a crime of omission. Affirmative act where a decision was made.

For a human being you seem to have a rather limited ability to distinguish between factual scenarios and circumstances.

[–]Ymoh- 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The factual scenario here is that the mother’s affirmative act was to lower her ability to be alert by using drugs. Whether the drugs played a role in that particular event is irrelevant.

Again, by your reasoning, DUI should not be illegal. In case of an accident, alcohol should not play a role in deciding guilt either. There is no way to prove that any potential accidents would not have happened if the driver was sober.

[–]azbiker[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you cite a recent case where the situation involved a father with a similar outcome? If I can be shown equality in the judicial system, then I will yield to your consideration. I also still fear for the safety of the other child.

[–]Ymoh- 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

(1) This woman was at home sleeping, not at work doing her job;

Whatever else she does for a living... her job was acting like a responsible mother of a 3 year old.

I'd also like to note that this woman did not "get away" with anything, her son is dead.

She got away with letting a defenseless innocent child die while he was under her care and responsibility.

Your making excuses for her disgusting behavior is shameful.

[–]Buck_j -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

So you would feel the exact same way if this was a single father who worked two jobs and was overtired as a result, and this happened to one of his children? After all, whatever else he does for a living... his job was acting like a responsible father of a 3 year old.

Or are you just attaching a special stigma to this woman because she is a drug user.

[–]Ymoh- 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

So you would feel the exact same way if this was a single father who worked two jobs and was overtired as a result?

If he was doing drugs, of course I would. Contrary to feminists, we don’t apply lower standards of behavior to the people whose rights we fight for.

Or are you just attaching a special stigma to this woman because she is a drug user.

Of course I am attaching special stigma because she is a drug user. It is irresponsible behavior, unbecoming of a person who is supposed to be looking after a child.

As per your argument, drug use should never be considered a factor when deciding custody over a child.

You literally have no ground to stand on.

[–]Buck_j -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

So, if the drug use was unrelated to the death of this child, and the circumstances were as I have stated them in my prior comment, your opinion on this matter would go the other way, right?

When did I ever say that drug use should never be considered a factor when deciding custody over a child?

My only implication here is that if drug use is irrelevant to the death of the child, then drug use should not be a factor that is considered. Based on the article, I do not believe that the drug use here, which was smoking meth 2 days prior and smoking marijuana the night before, played a significant, if any, role in the death of this child.

[–]Ymoh- 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

When did I ever say that drug use should never be considered a factor when deciding custody over a child?

You didn’t. I did, based on the same logic you are applying here:

if drug use is irrelevant to the death of the child, then drug use should not be a factor that is considered

It follows that drug use and ability to care for a child are intrinsically unrelated.

Otherwise you are arguing that drug use can be disregarded as a factor after an event of failure to care for a child, but should be considered as a factor for suitability to care for a child. That is some Olympic level of mental gymnastics.

[–]Buck_j 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

But that statement was not about custody, it was about crime--entirely separate issues. Of course drug use by a parent should be a factor in reaching custody determinations, it is inherently relevant to what is in the child's best interests. But whether a person is a drug user is not inherently relevant to whether they committed a crime. Your logical assumption is therefore incorrect. A correct logical assumption based on my statements would be:

Drug use should never be considered a factor in determining whether a person is guilty of a crime, if it is more likely than not that the drug use is irrelevant to the crime.

And my entire point here is that is entirely unclear whether the drug use played any role whatsoever in this tragedy.

[–]Ymoh- 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

But that statement was not about custody, it was about crime

It was about the crime. But the implication is that drug use and ability to care for a child are not necessarily related.

Of course drug use by a parent should be a factor in reaching custody determinations

Why?? You just said that using drugs and letting your child die do not need to be related.

it is inherently relevant to what is in the child's best interests

So... letting your child die can be unrelated to drug use, but drug use is inherently relevant to the child’s best interest. I guess “staying alive” does not fall under the umbrella term of “best interests”???

And my entire point here is that is entirely unclear whether the drug use played any role whatsoever in this tragedy.

It then follows that drug use should not be considered for custody rights until after an event of neglect occurs and it can be proved it was related to drug use.

Again, nice mental gymnastics. You in some club??

[–]azbiker[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Although I understand what you are saying; the fact is that she was negligent. Such as a person driving a car drunk with a child in the back seat, who get in an accident and kills the child. That happened, and he was charged with negligence, child endangerment and 1st degree manslaughter. (sorry, I can't find the source) She however, does something similar and gets nothing. That is the issue. If it had been the father, I could almost guarantee a very different outcome. I am guessing you might be new this subreddit and don't understand the trends we tend to follow and try to expose for their injustice. We are not a women bashing forum (we try not to be), but we will not ideally sit by while MEN are treated like second class citizens.

[–]Buck_j -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The problem is it is not at all similar to drunk driving. Driving drunk with your child in the back seat is an affirmative act which places the child in significant danger.

Smoking weed in your own home and becoming very tired is not an affirmative act that has a reasonable likelihood of placing anyone in danger. She had no reason to suspect that her son would sneak out of her house in the middle of the night.

[–]bufedad 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Smoking weed in your own home and becoming very tired is not an affirmative act that has a reasonable likelihood of placing anyone in danger

Yes, it does. If smoking weed makes you unable to supervise your three year old child, then that places your three year old child in danger.

[–]Buck_j 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sleeping is the key here. She was asleep. It is impossible to supervise a child while you are asleep.

Would you feel differently about this situation if this was a man who was overtired from, say, working 2 jobs, and "slept heavier than normal"?

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sleeping is the key here.

Sleeping isn't the key. Why she was sleeping is the key.

Would you feel differently about this situation if this was a man who was overtired from, say, working 2 jobs, and "slept heavier than normal"?

Absolutely. I absolutely would feel different. Succumbing to exhaustion from supporting your family is a different action than getting high and passing out.

It's the difference between falling asleep behind the wheel and passing out drunk behind the wheel.

One of those is illegal.

[–]Buck_j 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You are exactly right. You get it.

So, if the drugs were unrelated to why she was sleeping "heavy," then the fact that she is a drug user should not be held against her, right? Or, put a different way, would you agree that there a situations where she could be asleep and this could've happened that would not necessarily be a crime or otherwise negligent?

She smoked meth 2 days before and weed the night before. I don't believe she was "passed out" as this sensationalized headline states. I believe they are smearing her for being a drug user and sensationalizing a tragedy.

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, if the drugs were unrelated to why she was sleeping "heavy," then the fact that she is a drug user should not be held against her, right?

The drugs ARE related to why she was sleeping "heavy". The rest is pointless.

[–]azbiker[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In that case anyone that is not looking out for their child's welfare can never be blamed for their child's death. Regardless of the medical/mental condition of the mother. It's negligence, and she should be punished accordingly. If the child has gotten out before, then proper steps should have been taken to prevent it from happening again. But I feel like you're hell bent on defending her, and not the child. So I will leave it at that.

[–]DarthCerebroX 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is relevant to men’s rights because it’s another ridiculous example that highlights the inequality in or criminal justice system.... where men are systemically discriminated against and women are given preferential treatment and not held accountable for their actions.

It’s really not that hard to understand...

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In our criminal justice system, on average...

  • Women are far less likely to be arrested for committing crimes
    • Women are 50% less likely to be convicted of a crime than a man
    • Men are given 60% longer prison sentences than women for the similar crimes
    • Women are also 50% less likely to see any prison/jail time after being convicted because they are awarded generous plea deals or given suspended sentences.

https://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/sentencing-gap-men-likely-go-prison-mrzs/

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1874742

A new study by Sonja Starr, an assistant law professor at the University of Michigan, found that men are given much higher sentences than women convicted of the same crimes in federal court.

The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts.

Starr also found that females arrested for a crime are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.

——

This is an issue for men’s rights because Men are systemically being discriminated against and women are given preferential treatment in our justice system.

Why is it that women have all the same rights and opportunities as men, but yet they aren’t held equally accountable for their actions?

In the U.K., judges are even instructed to be more lenient on female criminals.

Judges told: ‘Be more lenient to women criminals’

Judges have been told to deal less severely with female criminals than men when determining how to sentence them.

Female criminals are more likely to have mental health or educational difficulties and to have parenting responsibilities, while a lower proportion will have committed violent crimes than men, according to new guidelines.

Yeah, because men don’t suffer from mental illnesses, struggle with poverty and poor education , huh?

Judges ought to "bear these matters in mind" when passing sentence, according to the Equal Treatment Bench Book, published by the Judicial Studies Board (JSB).

Hmm... why are judges told to consider all these other special “factors” when sentencing but yet they don’t give men the same considerations?

The body, which is responsible for training judges, said female victims, witnesses and criminals have a very different experience in court than male counterparts.

You’re damn right they do... They have the pussy pass and are constantly being given slaps on the wrist instead of being punished to the same standard as men are.

It said: "These differences highlight the importance of the need for sentencers to bear these matters in mind when sentencing."

Quoting Supreme Court judge Baroness Hale, it added: "It is now well recognised that a misplaced conception of equality has resulted in some very unequal treatment for women and girls."

Unequal treatment huh?... They’re right but in the complete opposite way than they intended. Women are treated unequally because they are given preferential treatment.

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