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Good God, we've jumped the shark: Arizona Rep. Franks quits Congress after 2 female staffer report "feeling uncomfortable" after discussion about surrogacy

BlockNotDo

December 8, 2017
84 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/arizona-rep-trent-franks-expected-announce-resignation-n827531
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Title Good God, we've jumped the shark: Arizona Rep. Franks quits Congress after 2 female staffer report "feeling uncomfortable" after discussion about surrogacy
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BlockNotDo

Upvotes 84
Comments 21
Date December 8, 2017 2:38 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7ibq82/good_god_weve_jumped_the_shark_arizona_rep_franks/
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Comments

[–]Fortspucking 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Ironic that a movement all about stopping abuse of power is massively abusing that power. When you point a finger, there are three pointing back at you. Feminist shaming is like an antibiotic that wipes out the helpful microbes, leaving the field clear for the superbugs.

[–]mikesteane 25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So now: 1. Men will stop talking whenever a woman comes into the office 2. Women will feel (and be) unwelcome in many offices. 3. Women are slightly less employable than they were before

Talk about scoring an own goal.

[–]KingRobotPrince 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's because the movement has no coordination. It's just "get one over on men at any opportunity!" or do the thing that is fashionable at the time.

[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You forget the 4. Women will FEEL like they are being left out (and they will be), so they will sue for "creating a toxic work environment"... thus leading more men back to point 1. Repeat until there are no women working.

[–]8880886 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's probably the clearest analogy of the shit show I have read yet, round of applause haha

[–]KingRobotPrince 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Need more details as it could go either way.

He may have used surrogacy as an excuse to make a sexist remark, or to proposition the women. "You know my wife and I had a surrogate, maybe you could do that for us? But I like to inseminate the old fashioned way. wink"

Or the women could have seen the trend and trawled their minds for any incident that slightly related to sex, so they could jump on the bandwaggon too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. There's certainly contexts in which such conversations could have been highly inappropriate (though even then, are we accepting that hitting on a coworker should be a firable offense?)

However, given the current climate, I'm skeptical. I assume that if his advances were overtly sexual that's the story we'd be hearing.

[–]davebrain 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously he's a retard or he wouldn't resign over bullshit.

[–]perplexedm 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why did he resign though, it is weak people like these which set such stupid precedents. He could've stood his ground, clearly explained the situation and continued with his work. Does he have something to hide otherwise ?

[–]Luchadorgreen 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a good point.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I am constantly baffled by the special treatment women are expected to receive.

First, it was don't hit a woman.

Then, it was don't be mean to a woman.

Then, it was don't disagree with a woman.

Then, it was don't make women feel unsafe.

Now, it is don't make women feel uncomfortable.

What's next? Don't breathe the same air as women?

[–]Luchadorgreen 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nowadays, the last two could be from simply existing as a man in the general vicinity of a woman. I mean, based on the opinions of some feminists.

[–]Vandechoz 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They do literally expect men to go to the other side of the street if there is a woman present when walking.

[–]Rufus_Reddit 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the guy who used $84k of taxpayer money to pay a settlement. Maybe there's a little more going on than he's willing to talk about.

[–]Snow_Ghost 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you confusing this guy with Rep. Farenthold?

 

Ceterum, in Net liber nam omnis.

[–]tyrhgyt4453645 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

congressmen resign when they have done shit- he did shit

[–]nick012000 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I suppose it depends entirely on what exactly it was he said to them. If he suggested that maybe they should be the surrogates, wink wink, then maybe he should resign.

[–]Mens-Advocate 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Balderdash. It's oppression of men to crucify them for a simple proposition (absent retaliation or massive coercion).

[–]HotDealsInTexas 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Propositioning someone you have direct hiring/firing power over for a favor unrelated to their job duties is unprofessional behavior, period. He could have asked them to babysit the kids he already has, or mow his lawn, and it would still have been inappropriate.

Asking someone you're in a direct position of power over to undergo a risky and invasive medical procedure (the US maternal death rate is relatively low, but permanent injuries as a result of childbirth are common) so you can use their body for your own benefit is absolutely a fireable offense. Imagine if your boss told you: "Well, my wife is on dialysis and we're really looking for a kidney donor, but we just can't find a match. You wouldn't mind taking a couple tests, would you?"

If he simply mentioned his family's medical issues in front of the staffers and they took offense, that's one thing, but if he asked them to be surrogates, either directly or in a "wink wink, nudge nudge" way, he deserves what he gets.

[–]Luchadorgreen 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He saw the writing on the wall. If he didn't leave immediate, more women would "come forward" until he did. Now that he's gone, nobody else has incentive to accuse him.

[–]Dmva100 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The goal of over broadening the definition of sexual assault, is to ruin the reputations of men to keep them from obtaining high status positions in the workplace, politics etc., or removing them from such positions.

This is especially true on college campuses. If a girl tells a college counselor a guy looked at her the wrong way, they can suspend him, tarnish his record before he can graduate , and he won't get that STEM job he was going for, and that position just MIGHT be available for the women now!

If women can't use the pleasure of sex to sway the men of power, they will instead use it as a badge of victimhood to tear them down, true or not. The women who shame anyone who dare question something 'awful' as unwanted sexual advances, contact, etc. are those who fear the loss of power from such accusations. Odds are those women are ham planets that cannot secure the men they want. The men who stand behind the women on such issues are just beta cucks looking for a whiff of poon by conforming to feminist propaganda and being PC.

We are seeing a change in how sex is used for power. The less incentive for men to commit to women (marriage) the more incentive women will have to use sex as a reputation destruction tool as an effort to weaponize sex by using the law in a different way. Choose committment and or marriage for legal provisioning for your woman, or go to jail and lose everything you work for in your life that you refuse to give to women.

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