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#MeToo Movement Is Out of Control

rodvanmechelen

November 1, 2017
72 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/30/ladies-havent-raped-someone-catcalled/
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Title #MeToo Movement Is Out of Control
Author

rodvanmechelen

Upvotes 72
Comments 24
Date November 1, 2017 12:54 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7a3d8h/metoo_movement_is_out_of_control/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/metoo-movement-is-out-of-control.912009
https://theredarchive.com/post/912009
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Comments

[–]omegaphallic 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Someone has died and lives have been ruined, so yes it's out of control. Ordinary people might not be buying in, but enough people in positions of power are.

#Me too will have long term implications.

[–]tetraourogallus 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Someone died?

[–]rocelot7 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the Vancouver night club scene. An anonymous list of unsupported sexual harasser's/assaulter's went out and a man listed on it killed himself.

[–]omegaphallic 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, one of the flasely accused DJs in Vancouver killed himself.

[–]Squidnigiri 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I agree with the article. I've been questioning myself and my own actions even more now. I consider myself "a good guy" and this causes my outward actions to be even more controlled and as the article put it treating women asexually. The #metoo movement is going to have far flung consequences that the women who complain of sexual harassment just because they were hit on do not see yet. Maybe in the future the only way to actually hook up with someone will be on Tinder or Craigslist. This movement is stripping away the natural course of sexual attraction. In this world the predators and Weinsteins will thrive while the good guys will be left behind.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I was on the London Tube earlier, and had to constantly observe the interpersonal space when near women. One female kept shifting into me, so I pushed myself further away to avoid touching her. All because I'm now worried about being accused of sexual assault even if there is no sexual motive.

[–]Squidnigiri 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is changing things. It is accomplishing what all feminists want. A way to suppress male behavior.

[–]somefinfishy 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then wonder why no men approach them ever.

[–]bakedpotato486 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

All three of my sisters are with boyfriends they had approach them on social media. That future is now.

[–]Squidnigiri 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This world is sad. I hope they're good dudes.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Read Portifar's wife in the bible, it's been happening since 1500 BC.

It's worse now because of the internet, anyone can ruin a man's life much more easily and it's on record on the internet.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And don’t forget the power of mobs. That’s the part that scares me the most.

We’re like chimps with access to social media.

[–]scsimodem 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And even then, if you can read between the lines, you know everybody knew he didn't do it. If they thought he'd actually raped her, he'd have been executed, not put in prison. They knowingly threw an innocent man in prison because once he'd been accused, there was no way to let him off the hook completely.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yep not much has changed - sad for men.

[–]goodfoobar 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This article tracks very well with what I have observed. A woman whom I have very minimal interactions with posted a notme stating she had not been harassed. She followed up days later with an article claiming that men don't have to be afraid of workplace interactions with women, they just have to stop sexually harassing them. She followed up days later with a metoo citing a previously forgotten incident and suggested we should be doing a better job of policing male behaviour. I called her out on the destructive path she seamed to be heading down. While she did get defensive she was much more civil then her "friends" who became as insulting as possible.

[–]somefinfishy 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Someone once touched my knee at work, we're now married with two kids but it could have been harassment at the time. We're animals and we display courtship in this way, you can't retrain nature.

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

can't retrain nature

But, But, But .... isn't a central tenant of Dogmatic 6th Tsunami Feminutery that all Human Behaviour is Learned and a Social Construct Imposed upon all those who identify as Labial Feminut - except Dogmatic 6th Tsunami Feminutery?

[–]Imnotmrabut 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Moral Panic
Moral Panic - a condition that responds to a threat to established values or interests. The condition is analyzed and diagnosed by various spokespersons and experts, who make moral pronouncements and become the focus of sensationalized media coverage. Societal responses may lead to either subsidence or exacerbation of the situation.
The phrase “ moral panic ” was initially coined by Jock Young in an essay in Stanley Cohen's Images of Deviance ( Cohen, 1971 ) and was subsequently developed theoretically and applied empirically in Cohen's Folk Devils and Moral Panics ( Cohen, 2002 [1972]).
According to Erich Goode and Norman Ben Yehuda (1994), moral panics are societal reactions to perceived threats that are characterized by several features.
First is their volatility, seen in their sudden appearance and rapid spread among large sections of the population via mass media, followed by a rapid decline in further instances of the problem.
Second is the growth of experts who are claimed authorities in discerning cases of the feared behavior.
Third, there is an increased identification of cases of the behavior that build into a ‘‘wave.’’
Fourth, hostility and persecution are directed toward the accused, seen now as enemies of society.
Fifth, measurement is made of society’s concern through attitude surveys.
Sixth, consensus is established about the seriousness of the threat.
Seventh, there is a disproportionate fear of the threat relative to evidence of actual harm.
Eighth, a backlash occurs against the persecution.
Finally, there is an exposure of the flaws in identifying the problem. An excellent illustration is found in Jeffrey Victor’s study of satanic ritualistic child abuse in his book Satanic Panic (1993).
See Blackwell Encylopedia of Sociology, Page 1090

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Decent article.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While this reads as a good article, is it really getting out of control? Yes I know, we've got the usual lunatics we're used to now going after people over the most innocent bullshit but I have barely noticed their presence on the internet or even in the media.

If anything it almost seems contained, just the usual SJWs looking to cash in on the panic but it doesn't seem like people are buying into this shit the way they used to, even mainstream media that would normally jump on this sort of political tantrum by them has only mentioned it a few times when back in the days of things like gamergate and so on it would be spammed across the world and regarded as an international event.

I've actually been a bit bemused by the lack of hysteria from them on this, though it could be because it's mostly something happening in left wing circles and the wiser amongst them are keeping their heads down.

[–]rocelot7 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck, I remember just three years I would've bastardized this women for only arguing for common sense. But now, with all this shit, can we just get some god damn common sense no matter who nitwitted it may be.

[–]BaileysBaileys 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In my opinion you are seeing that wrong. I have been pleasantly surprised at how serious people have reacted to stories of men who had been victim of rape or groping. In my youth people simply were not even aware that men could be raped really. I know there haven't been that many stories from men raped by women (although I will welcome such stories), but I feel that at this rate and with this level of acceptance by the public, it shouldn't be far away where men will feel free to tell about such experiences also.

[–]rodvanmechelen[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The landmark case of Ellison v. Brady established that women and men experience different things as conduct of a sexual nature that creates a hostile environment, and therefore a different standard must apply depending on the gender of the victim. In what kind of conduct do women commonly engage that they do not consider sexual, but men do? How could that conduct create a hostile environment for men, even though women would not see it that way?

[–]BaileysBaileys 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the reply. Difficult for me know what would be a hostile environment for men (as I am not one myself), but I would imagine that there probably exist work environments in female-dominated fields where people make many remarks related to the gender to the few males that work there, and I imagine those men will feel equally hurt by that? I'm not talking about the odd friendly remark here and there, but for example persistent reminders that you stand out because of your gender or being made to feel as if men cannot do X as well as women, which can at some point become harassment.

Anyway, I meant inappropriate conduct by women towards men in a more physical way. Groping, coercion to have sex, touching while the male victim is intoxicated or otherwise not able to give consent, abuse of a dependent position (boss-employee, teacher-student) in the workplace to get physical contact. The equivalent of the stories that have been emerging so far under the #metoo tag.

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