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Female ruins fellow students life by retroactively alleging sexual assault

kidha

September 6, 2017
417 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-campus-rape-policy/538974/
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Title Female ruins fellow students life by retroactively alleging sexual assault
Author

kidha

Upvotes 417
Comments 48
Date September 6, 2017 8:04 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6yi4nh/female_ruins_fellow_students_life_by/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/female-ruins-fellow-students-life-by-retroactively.914736
https://theredarchive.com/post/914736
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[–][deleted] 111 points112 points113 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Then, she wrote, “I started to move my hand down his chest and into his pants.”

Wow, doesn't sound like she asked for consent.

The call ended and then, R.M. wrote, “I got on my knees and started to give him a blow job.”

Didn't ask then either.

“[My friend] knows I was with Kojo. She probably told all the brothers in the room, and they’re gonna hate me when they find out”

Game, set, and match. All she cared about was her reputation.

“as my RA training kicked in, I realized I’d been sexually assaulted.”

Uh-huh. If she really thought she had been sexually assaulted, then that training would've made her realize that, by the absurd rules of campus rape "law", she assaulted him too. Oh wait, she's the female, nvm.

This story makes me sick. R.M. should not have anonymity. She ruined a guy's life because she regretted initiating a sexual encounter with him.

[–]SideTraKd 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It's The Atlantic. I'm surprised that they are even able to admit that there is any problem at all.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Im not an mra, but from my perspective the atlantic is some of the best journalism and analysis on the planet. You don't have to agree with all the authors but you have to admit it doesn't pull any punches.

[–]SideTraKd 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

They're pretty far left, though... and even in this article they take it for granted that the accusations against Trump were genuine, without even seeing a bit of irony in it.

[–]chanaandeler_bong 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No they didn't. They said their claims where completely disregarded. They were using that as a point to show that both women and men are being disregarded in terms of rape allegations. It's pretty frustrating.

[–]SideTraKd 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Disregarded..?

The media talked about the allegations incessantly, in the attempt to sink Trump's campaign.

[–]chanaandeler_bong 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm just pointing out how the article was talking about it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So what? Every publication has an implicit bias whether they disclose it to the reader or not. The point is for them to argue their case as well as possible and for me to decide which perspective fits the facts the best

[–]SideTraKd 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's literally an article about the dangers of a system that is unfairly weighted against the accused, and then they turn around and assume guilt, just because it's Trump.

[–]NeuroticKnight 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically a white woman was embarrassed she was attracted to a black man and wanted to save face and thus used biggest tool in her arsenal feminism. This is all kinds of fucked up.

[+]kidha1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not going to lie, I couldn't read it after the first few paragraphs. I've never been anti-SJW or pro-Men's Rights until I read the account between

[–]Tedesche 31 points32 points33 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stick around.

I'll be the first to admit there's a lot of biased garbage on this sub, but there is on any political sub. If you have the patience and open-mindedness to filter out the crap, you'll find that there are actually many good points MRAs are making, which the rest of society largely ignores. It's a minority view, but an incredibly important one. Common wisdom is still that women have it worse than men in society overall, but I think if you keep reading stuff here and doing your own research, you'll find it is nowhere near that clear-cut anymore. In many ways, both concrete and abstract, men are given the short end of the stick in society, have fewer legal rights than women, and are judged much more harshly than them in a variety of areas. Contrary to popular belief, women are in fact quite privileged over men in a great many arenas.

And all I'll say about the rampant anti-feminism you'll find here is that most of it stems from the longstanding practice by most feminists of trying to suppress or minimize attention to men's side of the gender debate. It's not about being against women's rights; it's anger at how feminism has been against men's.

[–]Cabbagepant 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never been anti-SJW or pro-Men's Rights until I read (this)

I can only assume through ignorance, this kind of stuff has been going on for a very long time.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great find.

[–]nforne 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For me, my eyes were opened at work. My organisation is mostly female, right to the very top around 75%), yet it has a women's forum and bring your daughter to work day, with no equivalent for men/boys. Lots of initiatives everywhere to help women up the career ladder.

It made me realise that no matter how much the balance is tipped in favour of women, there will always be the perception that women need preferential treatment.

One of our partner housing organisations recently made a poster that openly celebrated the achievement of a 100% female senior management team. I couldn't care less if it was all male, all female or anything in-between, but to them, 100% women = optimal diversity.

The weird thing is, nobody seems to notice or care, apart from this sub. And discussing these issues requires a thick skin because you'll be branded a misogynist for seeking equality.

[–]TigPlaze 43 points44 points45 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's gotten to the point where men now need male only colleges for protection against the rape witch hunts. Of course, feminists would decry that as misogyny and then return to their female only colleges.

[–]boringcarpets 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Boys thrive in single sex schools, that won't be allowed to happen

[–]MeEvilBob 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even the idea of having a men's center, or even so much as a rape center that doesn't laugh in the face of male victims would be enough to put feminists in a rage.

The way they see it, any service offered to men is taking resources away from women. If you open a men's homeless shelter in a city with a bunch of women's shelters, then you're evil because you didn't just donate all your money to a women's shelter instead.

Try to have a discussion with one, they'll try to shoot down all your facts as bullshit conspiracy theories and then go on to say that they deeply care about men and will do all they can to help men, once every single last problem women face is completely eliminated, until then men will just have to wait.

The idea of two movements coexisting is laughable to them because to them, everybody is supposed to be exclusively on their side.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Her allegation, which she aggressively used to ruin this young man's life, boils down to the idea that after a consensual act she felt that he should be held accountable for not inherently predicting her emotional response to her own actions.

Later in the article it's pointed out many college administrators claim their policy is won't change even if federal guidelines do, but I highly doubt that they'll stick to this kangaroo court nonsense when there's no guidline tying them too it and it continues to cost them millions to settle out of court with the young men they've wronged.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean the tax payers money. They don't care.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The money comes from taxpayers but it's in the schools coffers. Every dollar they spend on settlements is a dollar they don't get to spend elsewhere.

[–]leftajar 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny, they say the man's name, and also outed his marijuana use. But no name for the false accuser...

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men should avoid women in college.

[+]CellularPeptideCake1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a perfect demonstration of the genuine evil at the heart of these policies. She didn't even need to lie and claim that she had been forced, coerced, pressured, or that she had been incapacitated. All she had to do was tell an adult that she felt bad, and the full weight of the system fell on this guy.

[–]BOATSANDHOEZ 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a man in college, this terrifies me.

[–]TheMeistervader 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

If you want to fuck something in college fuck a hooker. They will tickle your balls, tall sweetly to you, and not ruin your life.

[+][deleted] -18 points-17 points-16 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Or just have proof of consent

[–]bananarandom 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You can't consent if intoxicated in any way, according to most new policies.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

.. Then don't have sex while intoxicated. That's a completely different issue.

[–]BOATSANDHOEZ 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"then don't have sex while intoxicated" have you been intoxicated before?

[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. I don't drink. I understand that it affects your behavior.

If it's that much a problem, you probably shouldn't be drinking like that.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't be serious... Do women also have to ask for written consent? Before and after?

That's ridiculous.

[–]Coltons503 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Cause that totally world considering these whores are allowed to retroactively withdraw consent.

[+][deleted] -10 points-9 points-8 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

..? Get proof of consent before and after. Two signatures make a legal document. Most of these "whores" don't change there mind until far after.. so, they would have no reason not to sign.

[–]Coltons503 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Still not guaranteeing much just look at how often prenups get thrown out for instance.

[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Uh, actually haven't heard that one before?

[–]MaestroLogical 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Two words make any legal documents null and void.

"Under duress"

All she has to do is utter those magical words and any; contract, video, text etc won't matter. She felt pressured to sign it/say it or you might hurt her.

Look it up, you'll be disgusted with the ease at which consent gets tossed aside for feelings.

[–]Coltons503 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually it does happen at least here in the states. Unfortunately legally binding documents are only as legally binding as the judge who pulls the decision out of his ass deems it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, I guess you could try to appeal based on the judge ignoring legal precedent? (Trying to sound smart)

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good luck with that.

At this point you're incurring massive financial loss, sustained negative, hateful public reputation for fighting a lost cause and almost already expelled from college.

[–]Tedesche 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That would never work. As the article illustrates, colleges these days accept that consent can be retroactively rescinded, and that would undoubtedly be applied to a written document as well. All the accuser needs to say is she felt pressured to sign.

[–]Cabbagepant 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism wants consent withdrawable at any time whatsoever after sex. Any time. Months, years, any time. And for the woman to be believed without question, the man to be found guilty without question.

Do not fall for feminist apologism in this sub or anywhere, actively call it out for the hate cult that it is.

[–]Stripes1974 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Nothing about due process says to a rape survivor, ‘I believe you,’”

This statement.
This is what Title IX boils down to.
To make the victim feel better.
Not to get to the truth.
Not to serve justice.
But simply to make the victim feel better.

This makes me want to cry, soul-wrenching tears of agony. Because this shows just how little (read: not at all) real love and compassion there is in this world. Not for those accused, not even for those who are victims.

It's all just window dressing.

[–]Tedesche 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What pisses me off about this article is that it never actually mentions the elephant in the room, which is that feminism has been encouraging the policies, ideas, and general attitudes that form the foundation of this problem. Even as society is acknowledging the problem, feminism remains "off limits" for criticism.

[–]AntiAbleism 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are always the victim and can never lie and men are always guilty according to them.

[–]TheHawk71 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He should have never had “interim restrictions” based on this fact pattern. However, it would have been better not to use her name with the activist group. I wonder if the Facebook “friend request” which couldn’t be proven would have been dismissed if her name hadn’t been released on that listserv. At that point he would have been fully exonerated. LOL who am I kidding? He’s a dude. They’d have come up with something else to punish him for. Running into her at a starbucks maybe.

[–]mrstickman 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a well-written article. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.

[–]Themightysavage 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

FUCKING REALLY?!?!?!?

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