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Where have all the good women gone? Men fight back with a vengeance against the women who SLAMMED chaps today as boring, grumpy slobs

MHRA_Leander

August 24, 2017
68 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4817380/Where-good-women-gone.html
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Title Where have all the good women gone? Men fight back with a vengeance against the women who SLAMMED chaps today as boring, grumpy slobs
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MHRA_Leander

Upvotes 68
Comments 25
Date August 24, 2017 2:50 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6vrc7f/where_have_all_the_good_women_gone_men_fight_back/
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Comments

[–]HQR3 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women will take a more positive approach while men, after a couple of knock-backs, will shrivel up. They are easily disillusioned; women are better at brushing themselves off.

Yep. Let's do a little role reversal:

"Well, she's taken me to dinners and places I like to go. Spent a little money. She was on, trying to impress me. Always concerned with whether or not I was enjoying myself. Put a lot of effort in. Me, I just had to look presentable and show up. Wonder why she's discouraged that it didn't work out. Me, I'm getting back out there.... Dinner and dancing don't just grow on trees, you know."

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There were some flaws from the "experts", but otherwise a decent article which didn't conflate MGTOW with TRP.

Progress!

The interviews with the men sounded remarkably familiar. You hear those sentiments quite often when talking to the more mature MGTOWs.

[+]GettingGains1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

The article included 3 experts. All of them female. It's the same old bull shit article disguised to make men look like failures. Now men are failing at dating. Here is why according to the experts in the article:

After a couple of knock-backs, [men] will shrivel up. They are easily disillusioned; women are better at brushing themselves off

Once again. Men worse; women better. WRONG. How about all the costs of dating from actual financial cost to the one risking rejecting is born by the man? Naturally a woman is better at "brushing themselves off". They are not putting in any effort!

And, any sane man, after a cost-benefit analysis would check out of the process. But, no mention of that. Let's just leave it at men suck, women rule.

Another factor, experts say, is that men are actually more sensitive than women, and struggle to deal with romantic knock-backs.

Again, another "The real story is men are weak". Wrong. How about the fact that "romantic knock-backs" cost men half their wealth and a large part of future earnings. Naturally, if you receive cash and prices for "romantic knock-backs" then its all gravy. Or, in the dating process, when you never have to risk rejection or pay for a date, its all gravy.

Psychotherapist Selena says another reason for men, old and young, being disappointed by modern dating is that today’s sexual relationships have been complicated by online dating and pornography

You know the follow up to this is "Let's ban pornography! Its bad for men!". Bullshit. Porn has not complicated sex for men. Online dating has, but only because it fuels the entitlement of women.

[–]BobbyDropTableUsers 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They always use social manipulation to try to shame men into doing what the female experts want. That's why most relationship counselors are women. They come in, set their own rules, make you use their language, and play on their field.

MGTOW is a huge threat to that system. It's realizing that the only winning move for a lot of men, is not to play the game.

If enough men wise up and realize this lifestyle may be better for them, the entitlement bubble will eventually burst. Although these guys don't want women with an inflated sense of entitlement, these are not guys who want to see submissive, weak women. These are guys who want mutual respect and equal accountability.

[–]Lethn 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm starting to wonder if there shouldn't be a depression warning for these sorts of articles lol, holy fuck, I could totally understand difficulties for men in their 50's and so on because you have a lot of feminists around that age group in their 40's and so on who are desperate and manipulative. However reading about the sheer problems faced by men in their 20's and 30's makes me glad I'm single and I'd actually quite like to have a girlfriend, it just isn't worth it anymore is it?

While women — now so independent in outlook and behaviour — are much less worried than male counterparts about finding a new long-term partner, men are more likely to have come from a relationship they’d rather have kept.

I can't believe this is actual advice and commentary coming from an accredited therapist, no, women are not 'independent' they are the same as ever and so are men. Women reach their 30's and 40's and immediately become clingy and desperate for any stable man they can get their hands on or they end up being single and alone with frozen eggs because they're so picky and refuse to date 'below their station'.

The funny thing is the article itself unwittingly debunks most of the commentary from the psycho therapists just by these men talking about their experiences.

[–]dungone 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's actually rather galling

While women — now so independent in outlook and behaviour

How can the author write this just a few sentences after describing women who a) demand that men pay for everything, b) barge in and size up someone's home on a first date and then ask, "so where are we now?", and c) get jealous at a man keeping a photo of his late wife in his home.

Desperate, yes. Entitled, yes. Bitter? Absolutely. But an independent outlook and behavior? Seriously? Where?

[–]fengpi 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Women reach their 30's and 40's and immediately become clingy and desperate for any stable man they can get their hands

But but but Grrl Pwr! But but but Sisters Doin' It For Themselves!

The funny thing is the article itself unwittingly debunks most of the commentary from the psycho therapists just by these men talking about their experiences.

They're in denial, which is why we need psychotherapists to tell us what's truly going-on in their rusty-cog man-brains. They're experts, you know.

[–]Tgunner192 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

difficulties for men in their 50's and so on because you have a lot of feminists around that age

I'm nearing 50ish and have to disagree with that.

EDIT: I've received some messages indicating this post appears inconsistent or self conflicting, let me clarify. You don't see a lot of 45 year old feminists. You might see a handful of capitalist that write feminist books because they know the naive will buy them. But in general, the health issues associated with obesity and the mental health issues from clinging to a cult like ideology is to much for a middle aged person, you either die or grow out of it.

[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Trelawney Kerrigan, a consultant for the Dating Agency Association, says: ‘Women will take a more positive approach while men, after a couple of knock-backs, will shrivel up. They are easily disillusioned; women are better at brushing themselves off.

It's so close... but still so far. She is right that men stop trying... but they're not "shriveling up", they are doing the calculations and coming to the realization that this is the way things are...while women are more then willing to keep on trying to find Mr. Right... because prince charming will come along any time....

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

is the risk of sex worth the following to a man?

  • Pregnancy (child support etc)

  • Cohabitation laws (basically alimony etc)

  • Paying for things, food, working more etc

  • attempting to keep another person happy

all of these with no guarantee of anything, and all while porn and hookers are readily available.

[–]rg57 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

And soon, sex robots. I think that will probably appeal to the tinkerers among us.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

right. I am a tinkerer. I don't think I will play with those though...

[–]hatefulreason 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

overclock the servo maybe ? :))

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't want latex burns lol

[–]rbrockway 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's going to be a sex robot modding community before long ;)

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Soon? More like now. They're more popular than real whores at one brothel in Vienna.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/633323/sex-robot-prostitutes-brothel-more-popular-real-girls-Vienna-Austriabrothel-talks-expand/

[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Some men seem to think so.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

well of course, but I would argue that a lot of men don't think so. and that is why the article mentioned it

[–]fengpi 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Men, however, like the stability of a home life provided for them, their creature comforts, and often don’t know how they’re going to manage except by going into another relationship.

Really now? The interviewed men in the article seem to be doing rather okay on their own. Much to the author's dismay.

‘Yes, I’m a struggling actor. But she wasn’t well off, either. She was an au pair. She was just looking for a wealthy husband.

Well, chum, what did you think? She'd seek-out someone with a similar socioeconomic level?

[–]mymraccount_ac 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

‘Things were great at first, but when our daughter was born in 2014, it felt to me like my wife didn’t want me any more. We divorced in 2015.

It's so easy, everyone's doing it.

[–]Rethgil 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminist speak: 'Grumpy'.

Meaning: 'Disagrees with me'.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Let me correct that.

You see, women love assholes, grumpy ones included.

What they're really saying is "Grumpy and won't obey everything I command".

They love men to be the biggest assholes, it makes them wetter than the pacific ocean. But only when they want them to be assholes.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I also notice how in reality its often that if a man isn't happy EXACTLY when such women are happy, or angry at the exact same thing she is, he is 'grumpy'.

Men aren't allowed a different view.

[–]Revorob 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a single, never-married man in my early 50's, I can certainly attest that women in my age cohort are a sorry bunch. Inevitably they are bitter about failed relationships/marriages, single moms/grandmoms, overweight, in poor financial shape and have mastered the art of fucking their lives up. From my experience, the got-it-together single middle age woman who is a great catch simply does not exist.

I have long since stopped bothering with women for anything. I am an avowed MGTOW and regardless of what women think, I have a great life and would not change it for the world.

EDIT: spellling

[–]aHugeGapingAsshole 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Trelawney Kerrigan

p4p one of the worst names I've ever seen

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