4 Reasons the Wage Gap Isn't a Myth. What do you think about this?

foot_kisser · 2017-07-05T09:32:29+00:00

I didn't finish the whole thing. She keeps assuming that any statistical difference is sexism as an outside force harming women. She doesn't give any reason for this assumption, just states it as if it were true.

The actual numbers she quotes seem reasonable (as far as I can tell), but the numbers aren't her argument, the fallacious assumption that the cause of the numbers is sexism against women is her argument.

Demonspawn · 2017-07-05T13:48:22+00:00

It's really really simple. Define the stat via the methodology:

The ratio of average yearly pay for full time working women divided by average yearly pay for full time working men. That's what the "wage gap" is.

Does it account for experience? No.

Does it account for education? No.

Does it account for hours worked per year? No. And the hours worked gap (in favor of men working more hours) is larger than the "wage gap" - and this is presented in the very same study as the "wage gap" they complain about.

So if these idiots could read a methodology and weren't math illiterate, they'd recognize they're spouting off about something that's actually in their own favor.

fengpi · 2017-07-05T09:28:59+00:00

I think she's a blockhead who doesn't comprehend how much of the world works.

2017-07-05T09:34:28+00:00

FYI: The like ,dislike ratio is disabled on this video.

jimmybrite · 2017-07-05T13:54:00+00:00

"lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes..."

ee4m · 2017-07-05T09:41:15+00:00

Its like creationism, any gap in the science is proof of gods hand.

Taxus_Calyx · 2017-07-05T09:37:59+00:00

"Introducing... the wage gap myth myth myth myth ." Moving on to NEXT year's bullshit...introducing the wage gap myth myth myth myth myth myth... (this passes for intellectualism?)

feminazi_h8er · 2017-07-05T17:05:08+00:00

I could barely stand to listen to the sound of her voice. She only looks at stats that support her argument. Feminism conveniently ignores any facts that counter their argument.

ExpendableOne · 2017-07-05T14:36:16+00:00

Just skimmed through it. Pretty sure all of her type of mistakes and presumptions have already been addressed by countless other youtubers and redditors(myself included).

2017-07-05T14:51:08+00:00

Let's say the wage gap was real. What do feminists suppose would even fix it? Have their been any real-world proposals?

2017-07-05T10:27:08+00:00

Binary?

2017-07-05T12:45:03+00:00

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/genevieve-wood/what-pay-gap-young-women-out-earn-men-cities-gop-p/

iongantas · 2017-07-06T01:19:40+00:00

Well, it's full of crap, for starters.

ulyssessword · 2017-07-06T03:31:35+00:00

Why are you comparing Black/Native American/Latino women to white men? Wouldn't comparing them to Black/Native American/Latino men be better?

"Non-Binary": Men and women make up ~99.5% of the population. At this scale, the rest is an unfortunate rounding error. It's about the same for straight marriage.

"Female jobs are payed less than male jobs": Two explanations: Firstly, women (relatively) bargain for non-cash benefits like vacation time and health plans, while men (relatively) bargain more for cash. Secondly, men are more strongly drawn by higher paying jobs/industries compared to women.

"Women are paid less in all occupations": Yup, partly due to insufficiently granular definitions of "occupations" in the studies, partly due to individual negotiations, as above, partly due to preferences, as below, and partly due to unknown reasons, which are often labeled "discrimination".

"Women's preferences": I agree, and it's the primary reason why there's a large overall earnings gap (the 77% figure). Once you adjust for choices (hours worked, education, etc.), the gap shrinks by a dramatic 3/4 to 4/5, ending at ~95% in most studies. I think that this is a real social problem, as a realized drive for productivity benefits everyone, and stifling it (or failing to nurture it) at any point harms society as a whole.

"Second Shift": Doesn't even mention the hypothesis that their preferences or earning potential (remember, 3/4 to 4/5 of the gap is because of individual choices, like education) cause a couple to split household labor that way.

"Marriage": Ties in with points above and below. Not much specific here.

"Unequal Costs": The same as "Women's preferences", above. It's an important social issue, but it's not an employment discrimination issue.

"Assumption all women chose to have children": Gah! No! That's not how statistics over a population works! You have no idea whether the discrimination is falling only on the 85.6% of women who have at least one child by age 44, or else is diluted out to include the entire population.

"Solutions": First part is okayish...

"Anti-discrimination laws for women with disabilities, queer and trans women and other sexual and gender minorities": IMO this is the worst thing about feminism. It gets people to fight for women's disability rights instead of plain disability rights, trans women rights instead of trans people rights. The same thing has happened with support for women's domestic violence, women's (breast) cancer, Missing and Murdered Aboriginal Women (despite the 3x murder rate of Aboriginal men), and is coming in 2022 to Canada's Foreign Women's Aid.

NerdyWeightLifter · 2017-07-06T09:45:53+00:00

For a really well sourced discussion on the topic, check out the Freakonomics podcast on the topic at: http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

It's mostly an interview with Claudia Goldin, Professor of Economics at Harvard University, and she specialises in gender economics. Mostly, she says what we say around here, but with more nuance.

A remarkably credible source I think.

Title	4 Reasons the Wage Gap Isn't a Myth. What do you think about this?
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Date	July 5, 2017 8:35 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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