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'Leftover generation' of career women are freezing their eggs 'because they can't find similarly successful men'

furchfur

July 5, 2017
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/r/MensRights
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4665018/Women-freezing-eggs-t-man.html
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Title 'Leftover generation' of career women are freezing their eggs 'because they can't find similarly successful men'
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furchfur

Upvotes 10
Comments 17
Date July 5, 2017 6:38 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6lcd97/leftover_generation_of_career_women_are_freezing/
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Comments

[–]mikesteane 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Read the comments. As usual, there are loads of people calling out the situation: the career women are selfish, they have made the wrong choices, the system has been skewed to discriminate in their favour, their demands are too high as are their opinions of themselves etc.

Now all of these commenters are potential MRAs. There is a huge pool of them ready to actively support change and that is why I am confident that there will be big changes in our favour as feminism crashes into a disaster of its own making.

PS The one point commenters have missed is that NOW actively opposed teaching women about how fertility declines with age. Anyone want to go there and make the point?

[–]fengpi 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

PS The one point commenters have missed is that NOW actively opposed teaching women about how fertility declines with age.

Does NOW deny the connection between fertility and age now? Or do they deny ever denying it? (Apologies for the awkward phrasing.)

[–]mikesteane 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

From thisarticle:

Back in 2001, the ASRM devoted a six-figure sum to a fertility awareness campaign, whose goal was to show the effects of age, obesity, smoking and sexually transmitted diseases on fertility. Surprisingly, the US National Organization for Women (NOW) came out against it. ‘Certainly women are well aware of the so-called biological clock. And I don’t think that we need any more pressure to have kids,’ said Kim Gandy, then president of NOW. In a 2002 op-ed in USA Today, she wrote that NOW ‘commended’ doctors for ‘attempting’ to educate women about their health, but thought they were going about it the wrong way by making women feel ‘anxious about their bodies and guilty about their choices’.

Although the ASRM denies the backlash is connected, its spokesman Sean Tipton says the organisation has not done a fertility awareness campaign since.

[–]fengpi 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

‘Certainly women are well aware of the so-called biological clock.

Iiinteresting. Huh, that's really an interesting thing for her to say, that women ought to have less health information on this one subtopic? A reproduction-related subtopic, while feminists simulatenously flog every other kind of reproductive medicine-related trivia? I guess making certain exceptions are okay. Should women also not be informed of fertility treatment options because that would similarly pressure them into having children?

There are certain things women don't need to hear! Because overkill, yes? Because "pressure to have kids" is the patriarchal cult of maternity, while elsewhere "pressure to stay a virgin" is patriarchal anti-sex prudery. "Pressure to have a career until you're 40," however, is just smart planning.

By a similar token, I guess anti-smoking campaigns are a waste since everybody already knows that cigarettes are bad for you.

But still I wonder: do feminists now deny ever doing this kind of thing? I'm asking because, before the early 90s, feminist-run DV shelters often refused entry to lesbians because the idea of lesbian battering didn't fit into their theoretical models and there was a kind of silence about the topic. Now, however, that the existence of battering in lesbian relationships is undeniable, the feminists I have sparred with now deny that feminists had ever done stuff like that.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Choices have consequences, and you should be informed of them so as to make choices whose consequences are more in line with what you desire."

"Stop making women feel guilty about their choices!"

[–]boringcarpets 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Similarly successful", yeah right

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahaahaa, I must've overlooked that howler....

I think that phrase means that Chad needs to have his testicles drained nightly.

[–]xNOM 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Women tell us frequently that they are freezing their eggs because the men they meet feel threatened by their success and so are unwilling to commit to starting a family together.

Why do people believe this bullshit? I have yet to see any data to support this. These women are actually the most likely to be married.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2016/08/19/the-most-educated-women-are-the-most-likely-to-be-married/

EDIT: This other article I found is actually kind of hilarious. Noone even considers the possibility that the "smart woman" was actually obnoxious.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0146167215599749

[–]double-happiness 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

‘Women tell us frequently that they are freezing their eggs because the men they meet feel threatened by their success and so are unwilling to commit to starting a family together.’

Yeah, I bet they say men feel threatened by their success. I seriously doubt that's true though.

Professor Simon Fishel, founder of Care Fertility, said: ‘Anthropologically we are always searching, consciously or unconsciously, for like-minded people so it is not a great leap to understand that women are looking for someone on the same level, who is university-educated or a professional.

How does 'university-educated or a professional' equate to 'like-minded'? I couldn't care less how educated a woman is, so long as she's a) a nice person, b) reasonably attractive, and c) pleasant company. Hell, I used to go out with a Brazilian woman who was working in a fish 'n' chip shop, but I actually respected the fact that she was willing to do a low status job to get by, while she travelled. Face facts: it's almost exclusively women who want a high status, well-paid male for a partner, and the research shows that does not change even when they are high earners themselves. Now I don't begrudge them that particularly, they can't help their biological make-up, but don't try to tell me that focus is common to women and men, because it's simply not.

From the comments:

Women all long for a man who is kind, generous, rich, good looking and vivacious, but we all have boyfriends.

I don't really get that. Does he mean such men are mostly gay?

[–]christianlazard 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A real gem:

"Ms. TexasUSA, Houston, United States, 6 hours ago res judicata, MayMarch - I agree 100%. I make a great living, and want to find a man to meet me emotionally and professionally where I'm at. If I compromise, it'll make my life more stressful and unhappy. Which would make me a terrible parent. I'd rather raise my children surrounded by a team that will help and lift me up vs. settle for a husband that will drain me. It's as if men haven't evolved enough to partner with today's woman."

=> tl;dr: Men haven't evolved enough! ;)

[–]ee4m 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Simplest way to close the wage gap is to get career women to marry and support less ambitious men.

And its a done deal.

The system doesn't profit from that. It wants mens productivity and an extra 20% from women.

Its also happy for us not to be reproducing much, because it wants to replace us with more desperate and cheaper workers.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A womans career success is most often only a tiny factor in whether a man is attracted to her. Women are expecting men to value them by the same criteria they evaluate men (money and status) and are slowly realizing that the shrinking pool of quality men are either already taken, or have little interest in dating a 5 just because she got an MBA

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't get how freezing eggs will do too much, its really putting off the situation and hoping the man-drought ends.

[–]B_P_G 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, and it's not like women become more attractive with age. If they want to have children then they need to get realistic about their value in the dating market. I suppose they could do that at 40 with a bunch of frozen eggs but it wouldn't seem to buy them anything over doing it now.

[–]accountrel 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I always and automatically replace "eligible" with "gullible".

Makes it more accurate, and entertaining, for me.

Best comment on this I've seen from u/grasshopa! :) Discussion about it here.

[–]christianlazard 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously, I would never freeze my eggs.

[–]warm20 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/eJbY1uwVgjA

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