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Atlanta Rape Rate doubles - because now they include male victims.

Samantha_Cruz

May 30, 2017
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http://investigations.blog.ajc.com/2017/05/30/georgia-doesnt-allow-some-men-to-be-charged-with-rape-heres-why/
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Title Atlanta Rape Rate doubles - because now they include male victims.
Author

Samantha_Cruz

Upvotes 545
Comments 22
Date May 30, 2017 1:07 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6e789j/atlanta_rape_rate_doubles_because_now_they/
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Comments

[–]Male_Positive 66 points67 points68 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

"Atlanta Rape Rate Doubles - No Woman is Safe as Rape Crisis Worsens" That is the feminist version.

[–]Samantha_Cruz 27 points28 points29 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

one major reason that Sweden is often cited as having recently become a "rape capital of the world" is that they changed the way rapes are recorded. In the past (and in many other countries) a victim that is raped multiple times by the same assailant is counted one time however several years ago Sweden changed their reporting standards and every individual instance of rape is counted; this is one major reason that they saw a large spike over the past 8-10 years. - Certainly there are other factors but people with political agendas often point at the correlation of a higher influx of muslims that happened at the same time; that probably accounts for some percentage but it is a gross oversimplification to assume that it is the only factor.

The changing standards means that we see more instances listed in the crime stats but that doesn't necessarily mean that more rapes are occurring. It's also one of the problems of comparing rape rates between different jurisdictions as they simply don't use the same standards when counting.

[–]NeedHelpWithGerman 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I find this really interesting! I have heard countless times people say that muslims are invading and raping sweden (obviously not literally that) but i have never heard of this change of law. Could you provide a link for mor information? Would appreciate it.

[–]thwml 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

While what Samantha said is true about Swedish law, when you take a closer look at Swedish rape statistics you'll very quickly realise that legal definitions alone do not account for the skyrocketing incidence of rape in Sweden.

[–]probably_a_squid 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Source?

[–]Mashiki 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sweden's own data. Read it yourself.

[–]probably_a_squid 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So how do these data lead you to the conclusion that legal definitions do not account for the increase in reported rapes?

[–]Bosombuddies 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This only shows a spike in the sexual assaults, it doesn't explain why though.

[–]Samantha_Cruz 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm certainly not suggesting that there is no link between the recent immigration and increased rape trends; My point was mainly that it's not quite as clear cut as some people want to make it seem.

Regarding the changes in how rapes are counted - One english source is this snopes article - it mentions a few factors including the statement "For one thing, Sweden tallies each incident as a separate case, even if the accusation, perpetrator and victim are the same, a practice that may create confusion on an international level." and a quote from a researcher for Bra "In Sweden we count as many crimes as [the victim] can specify. So we’ve had cases with women who had a diary so they can say, ‘I’ve been raped within this marriage 400 times.’ That will result in 400 reported crimes. "

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just wait until they count every incidence of rape during a single sexual assault. He penetrated her with his Penns at all three points of entry. That's three rapes. He used his fingers to penetrate her vagina. Ok that's a 4rth. Do you remember how many times he thruster before he ejaculated?

Ok, I'm pretty sue we can count this incident as 47 rapes.

[–]Samantha_Cruz 37 points38 points39 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

City of Atlanta for the first time began to report male victims in their "rape reports" - Previously many of the men that were sexually assaulted were categorized under "sodomy" laws and not considered victims of "rape".

the incidents of rape reported by the city immediately doubled; more evidence suggesting that men are victims of rape at nearly the same rate as females.

The article mentions that many of these would have previously been considered "forced sodomy" however it doesn't give any indication regarding "forced to penetrate" assaults. Also not mentioned is whether these reports include sexual assaults in prisons. (prison rapes are usually tabulated by department of corrections rather than law enforcement and historically have not been included in the fbi (or cdc/ncvs surveys) - Including prison rape rates suggests that men are victims of rape more often than females.

[–]the_unseen_one 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Based off of men being forced to penetrate more than women being forcibly penetrated already, I think if you added in men being forcibly penetrated, male rape victims would be far more common than female rape victims. I can see why so many places do everything they can to dismiss male rapes, it must not look good for them to have suppressed so many rapes for so many years.

[–]OnTheSlope 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently they're using the FBI's "gender neutral" definition, if that's true then they still won't be including rapes by women, which mostly victimizes men.

[–]HeForeverBleeds 25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Making the crime of rape gender neutral is an acknowledgement that the gender of the victim of a serious sexual assault is irrelevant to the harms suffered by the victim and to the moral gravity of the offense.

It's still not gender neutral though, is it? Unless "Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person" includes when the victim is the one being forced to penetrate. Otherwise all it means is that if a woman shoves her fingers or a dildo etc. into a man or a woman it wold be rape, but if a woman forcibly mounts a man (where she is the one being penetrated and he's the one being forcibly engulfed) it still wouldn't count as rape

So this new definition includes men being raped by men and men and women who were forcibly penetrated by women, but it still leaves out many male victims of rape and most female rapists by not including women forcing males to penetrate them. What this country (and every other country) needs is a truly gender neutral definition of the crime of rape, like forcing someone into sexual intercourse (forced penetration or forced engulfment/forcing to penetrate)

[–]probably_a_squid 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It interesting that we call it "forced to penetrate" rather than "forced envelopment". Even when the man is a victim of rape, we still put the action word on him. Maybe I'm just overanalyzing.

[–]chadwickofwv 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, you are not. It is intentional.

[–]ZombieP0ny 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Look at the Austrian definition of rape under the law (I posted it here a while ago) there you'll find a truly gender-/sexneutral definition of rape.

[–]Metraxis 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The revised definition is gender-neutral, since it triggers on lack of consent by either party. It makes more sense to think of the penetrative party of the definition as the FBI's definition of sex.

[–]Professor_Yaffle 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Couldn't help but note the headline (emphasis mine)

Georgia doesn’t allow some men to be charged with rape. Here’s why

To be fair to the writer – who most likely didn't have a say in the headline – the body of the piece doesn't really follow suit, but what the actual fuck?

[–]Samantha_Cruz 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

the city isn't 'charging' them with rape because the current state code doesn't allow it however they are reporting the incidents as rapes to the FBI for crime reporting statistics. So the rate reported to the FBI is what 'doubled'. The better news from the article is that there is at least an effort to push this change statewide and get a more gender neutral definition for rape in the state code.

[–]Professor_Yaffle 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

You miss my point: the story here is the gross failure to properly count victims of rape because of their sex, or because of their attackers' sex. The headline:

1) Suggests that the story is about perpetrators escaping rape charges

2) Furthers the males-as-assailants narrative trope, and removes the possibility that women can rape. Because of course it does

Maybe it should've been the word 'men' that I highlighted.

[–]contractor808 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Text of the Proposed Bill SB 145 Credit where it's due, all the Senators involved in drafting the bill were Democrats.

One of those was Amari Fennoy, a junior at Spelman who said she was shocked to find out about Georgia’s definition of rape. She heard about it, she said, when she learned of a male student who had been sexually violated but could not file a rape charge.

The separate laws may indicate that these are not equal offenses, Fennoy said. “It says that a woman’s violation is more important than the male’s.” In researching the issue, she also discovered that a rape charge couldn’t be brought when a woman was raped by another woman.

Kaj Gumbs, a recent Morehouse graduate who has lobbied the Legislature to change the law, said the issue is one of equal protection under the law. “This is a women’s issue. This is a men’s issue. This is an LGBT issue,” he said.

Good for them, and good for a young woman to bring up the issue as well.

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