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How about just everyone?

BonerSoup696969

November 26, 2016
424 upvotes
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Title How about just everyone?
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BonerSoup696969

Upvotes 424
Comments 30
Date November 26, 2016 4:23 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5exqhr/how_about_just_everyone/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/how-about-just-everyone.936876
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[–]furchfur 42 points43 points44 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Complain:

http://www.hackney.gov.uk/complaints

State:

You saw the sign and it is gender discrimination.

You want it investigated.

How do you make a formal complaint.

If you ask for a posted reply they really do consider the cost of what they are doing.

They need to think about the cost of running such a discriminatory advert again.

If lots of people complain the cost in postage and admin would be astronomical.

I suspect overseas people can complain if they have seen the advert on the internet.

[–]Mabungob 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

I got a reply from them:

Dear anon,

Thank you for your inquiry of our services. We greatly appreciate your concern. Rest assured your complaint has been taken into full consideration.

Yours truly, Hackney Council

(This was an automated message, please do not respond)

[–]furchfur 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

My response so far is this:

Thank you for using the online form to contact us, we are sorry to hear you have had to make a complaint. Your complaint will be passed to the relevant team to investigate.

Please note that on average we take 15 working days to provide a full response but an officer will contact you if there are any delays.

Please see below a copy of your complaint

Description of your complaint

I am concerned about your adverstisement for "End violence against Women and girls". It discriminates against men and boys. Have you had an advertisement for end violence against men and boys? If not why not? Why do you not want to end violence against everybody? Why is violence against men and boys acceptable? Government research has found that most violence in married relationships are instigated by females. Nearly 40% of all domestic violence is females committing violence against males. If you include shouting and swearing as violence the figure is even higher. The advert is blatant gender discrimination and not acceptable.

[–]GallopingGeese 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What's the citation on the 40% stat? Just curious. Thank you for submitting a complaint.

[–]furchfur 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why has Kelly Brook got away with punching two men?

International research suggests that as much as half of domestic violence is committed against men, but in the UK, fewer that 7% of convicted perpetrators are female.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/11/kelly-brook-punching-two-men-jason-statham-danny-cipriani-male-victims-violence

Women More Likely to Commit Domestic Violence, Studies Show

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/19133-women-more-likely-to-commit-domestic-violence-studies-show

[–]furchfur 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male, report reveals

Data from Home Office statistical bulletins and the British Crime Survey

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

[–]GallopingGeese 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks.

[–]Ontrus 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The British way of saying: I don't give a fuck.

[–]LedZeppelin1602 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Done. Thanks for posting the details. They hopefully will remove this bias advert and replace it with a non-gendered one.

Edit: I spoke with my nephew about this and was saddened to hear that he didn't think raising awareness for non-gendered issues as women's issues was wrong.

He thinks hitting men is wrong but not as wrong as hitting women. That is deemed worse in his mind. He claims to be a feminist, though it's the "I believe in equality so I'm a feminist" version not the actual reality of feminism.

I was really saddened and frustrated that he couldn't see that men's value is undermined by such posters , which teach that the issue of DV only affects women. He thinks it doesn't matter that the poster is only about women, he doesn't see the stereotype and culture it enforces in regards to male disposability.

He said I'm over thinking, which I do, but nevertheless I know in my heart of hearts that awareness for victims of both sexes is more pertinent than awareness for victims of one sex. Sadly I think that he now thinks I'm anti-women for advocating for male and female victims. He's been indirectly taught that women matter and men can be helped too, eventually once women have been helped first. So the idea that men and women should be helped together at the same time and men are equally valuable and in need of help as women was almost offensive to him, as if helping men is harmful to helping women

[–]BonerSoup696969 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's super cool that you posted a link for everyone to see to reach out to the people that made the sign. The more complaints the more they'll think about how they word their next sign

[–]Archibald_Andino 26 points27 points28 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Imagine a boy suffering from parental abuse reading that sign, what he must be thinking

[–]Sharrow746 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or any child who has to watch their mum abuse their dad every night.

[–]probably_a_squid 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially if he is being abused by his mother. This poster is essentially telling that boy he needs to be nicer to his abuser. It might convince him that his abuse is his own fault if his mother hasn't already convinced him. Sickening.

[–]GiraffeOfTheEndWorld 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That just made me tear up a bit, holy fuck.

[–]smallworries1 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's also terrible because children tend to blame themselves often having it affect their self esteem. For instance children of divorcing parents, sometimes blame themselves for their parents fighting.

In that vein, teaching boys that they're evil and harmful is likely to leave them devoid of confidence and self esteem.

This sort of brainwashing is really bad for young boys.

[–]Booty_Canoe 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Choose to CHANGE"?

Why would I do that? I'm currently not violent against women and girls, why would I change?

Did they just assume my violence?

#TRIGGERED

[–]perplexedm 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ironic as all these life threatening are also applicable, even if some random woman make a false accusation.

[–]jeff_the_nurse 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Geez, I'm so tired of being second-class...:(

[–]Hith_Ransir 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So glad i dont have kids, not because i dont think i could raise them better than this, but because i cant bear to think of the vitriol they would receive from their peers when they refuse to swallow the propaganda being pushed by basically all of Hollywood, the gov't and the school system.

[–]MWcrazyhorse 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This ties in to identity politics/ neo marxism. Men are painted as the enemy. We will never see a change unless we burn down neo marxism in academia and media.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your behavior is your choice

Unless you're a woman of course, then when it's harmful or irresponsible it's just how you were socialized.

[–]133jives 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's nice to promote against domestic violence on women but even better to be gender neutral or not pretend it doesn't happen to men who also need aid. It's unfortunately there are those who greatly oppose this with prejudice and simply don't wish to treat men like human beings.

You hate our victim status? Me too. Instead of being angry at us how about you TELL YOUR FELLOW MALES TO STOP VICTIMIZING US. Men are worthless. You whine about not being respected, but youve done nothing to deserve our respect. Men of the past were respected by women because they had value. Men today are worthless. - Here4unyc

source:

("www" in place of "np")

https://NP.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/5evyxb/a_poster_against_domestic_abuse_that_targets_the/dag065l/?context=3

[–]tuynerv2 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How is this sign really hurting anyone? I'm all for ending any kind of discrimination, but this isn't discriminatory. It isn't saying that violence against men doesn't exist or that it doesn't matter; it's just advocating for awareness of violence against women and girls

[–]133jives 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

How is this sign really hurting anyone? I'm all for ending any kind of discrimination, but this isn't discriminatory. It isn't saying that violence against men doesn't exist or that it doesn't matter; it's just advocating for awareness of violence against women and girls -tuynerv2

Tuynerv2, I agree it was well intended to promote against domestic violence for women. When it's over represented from actually occurrence it creates an echo chamber. So if roughly 50% of actually domestic violence happens to women, why does the media consistently exaggerate or focuses on women being the primary victim 90% of the time?

As a result it skews public perception that women are always the helpless damsel by default. Not only is that a bit sexist, it is a disservice when it results in disproportionately resources to other's in need and blatantly discrimination isn't far behind. Example:

A women clearly assaults a male over a dozen times in domestic violence. Yet the news slanders the man as the monster and women as the victim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlAQaZHvcdA&feature=youtu.be

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629593/What-f-k-did-Horrifying-video-shows-man-knocking-girlfriend-repeatedly-punching-face-furious-argument.html

Google "female assault boyfriend." Surprise, majority of search engine skew biased results to present women as the victims first.

https://s14.postimg.org/bnjw7evy9/Baised_google_on_female_assault.jpg

Let's pretend rape to male's don't happen and label as "unwanted touch" yet when it occurs to female we take it more seriously because it's advertised more. Discrimination

https://s18.postimg.org/lyi0tpd55/rape_double_standard_radical_feminist.png

Man With Breast Cancer Denied Medicaid Coverage Because He's Not a Woman

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/breast-cancer-patient-denied-medicaid-coverage-man/story?id=14241171

BBC news loves reporting when women that are in distress to pander to better ratings/support. But resist to acknowledge false rape allegations:

https://hequal.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/one-year-on-bbc-finally-forced-to-acknowledge-suicide-of-victim-of-false-rape-allegations/

Earl Silverman tried to open homeless shelter for men because there's almost none, they got hated on and ostracized by radical feminist because apparently women are entitled to monopoly on that social service. As a result they commit suicide:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/29/earl-silverman-dead-suicide_n_3179850.html

As you can see there are real consequences treating females as default victims and overly representing them regardless of facts. Public perception is manipulated or skewed when women are treated as the default victim, other's outside that echo chamber are unwarrantedly shunned. Simple solutions is to not overly represent a cause from the actually occurrence to prevent an echo chamber/discrimination. Being more gender neutral on providing resources where's it's actually needed would also help. The same holds true if you take any women/men's right's issue and it's exasperated beyond actually occurrences or demographics it does no good.

[+]William__F0ster -14 points-13 points-12 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I see what you're trying to get at, obviously, but to be fair, there is nothing really all that wrong with having a campaign aimed at one problem rather than another, especially when Hackney council has run lots of campaigns against knife crime in gangs - which directly affects men and boys almost exclusively - see here, here, here and here.

[–]bufedad 23 points24 points25 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your argument is flawed. They aren't choosing to tackle one problem over another, they are choosing to help the victims of one problem over another.

If your links referred to, help make victims of knife violence, instead of all victims of knife violence, that would be the same thing.

Heck, they are choosing to help the least victimized gender for this particular problem. Men are orders of magnitude more likely to be victimized by violence of all types including domestic violence.

It's like this, 16% of the homeless are women, so let's address homelessness for Women only. Homelessness is a problem, addressing the problem would be fine in an non-gendered way, but addressing the problem and excluding the majority of victims? That's completely unacceptable.

[–]Flaggermusmannen 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are choosing to help some victims of a problem over others.

Tried to ftfy, seems to me like the logical interpretation is victim favourisation of one over the other within the same over-arching problem

[–]MenHeal 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nonsense, there is a society wide issue where domestic abuse is thought of as a problem only affecting women. Statistics show that male victims being abused by women, is almost the same as that for male violence against women. Interestingly lesbians have the biggest problem, as perpetrator and victim, but feminists ignore that, because it goes against their propaganda against men.

[–]itty_bitty_beaver 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I respectfully disagree.

We're talking about victim services, here. The entire raison d'etre of the program and organizations is to help victims of these crimes, so any move by the organizations to subdivide the victim pool and only provide services to select victims is ugly, odious, ideological crap.

Put it in a parenting perspective. Your child phones you at 2am, sobbing, because there's been an incident and they have been victimized. If the first thing you ask is, "Is this my son or my daughter?" because the sex of that child is going to determine whether you respond or not ... you're an asshole. The salient characteristic is "victim". Everything else is just an excuse to play favourites.

[–]Lawstuff1125 -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i dont think its inherently biased legally speaking since it does not state that violence against men 1) doesn't count or 2)is a good thing.

in the uk the government is allowed to make public service signage for what they consider "community improvement"

i would think mra would love england- the have laws protecting the id of men accused of sexual assault and have virtually a 0% conviction rate for rape prosecutions or sexual assault, it is virtually impossible to be imprisoned for rape in the uk. also they consider intoxication a defense to rape for the man- sounds pretty mra to me.

google the recent issue with project sapphire in London- a billion dollar police task force built to overhaul sex crime investigations and increase the ability of the crown prosecutor to try sex offenders, it failed in spectacular fashion- the police (male and female) didint like the new policing standards and didint engage in them, people didint use the new reporting methods, prosecutors did not use readily availble video evidence of violent stranger rape in prosecutions- the head of the metro police resigned, the mayor of london resigned, and one of the judges of their supreme court resigned.

sex crimes are virtually impossible to investigate or prosecute in uk

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