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"Feminists treat men badly. It’s bad for feminism." - Cathy Young in the Washington Post - the mainstreaming of the MRM

blueoak9

June 30, 2016
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/r/MensRights
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/30/feminists-treat-men-badly-its-bad-for-feminism/
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Title "Feminists treat men badly. It’s bad for feminism." - Cathy Young in the Washington Post - the mainstreaming of the MRM
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blueoak9

Upvotes 50
Comments 20
Date June 30, 2016 8:59 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4qnyzt/feminists_treat_men_badly_its_bad_for_feminism/
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Comments

[–]mikesteane 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminists also treat women badly.

[–]fengpi 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those women are safe to beat-up on because they're patriarchy-infected zombies or gender-traitors. It's perfectly kosher to shoot 'em.

It's also kosher to shoot male feminists too, if you're bored.

Just whatever you do, don't point your gun at the female feminists for God's sake. They're the truly important ones and certain people must not be sacrificed for the Greater Good.

[–]HugoBorden 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists also treat women badly.

I have to agree with you here. Feminism is just corrosive to social stability, and of course women suffer from it too. The children suffer even more (both male & female). Just think of the world of hurried single mothers, and of unmarried 40+ women with their cats. This is not a happy world, by any stretch.

That's why feminism must be exposed for what it is.

[–]cozmickid80 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Yes, the problem with misandric feminism isn't that it's hurtful to men and boys; that it's sexist and outright wrong...but that it's bad for feminism. Color me surprised by the gynocentrism.

I'll tell you what...I don't give two fucks about your ideology, Cathy, or what's good or bad for it.

[–]fengpi 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Cathy wouldn't have been able to have gotten it published any other way.

The only way you can criticize feminism is by saying "This thing that feminists are doing is ultimately bad for feminism so they should stop."

That is the only crack in the wall through which such statements may be allowed to pass and Cathy knows this. Saying "man-bashing is wrong because it hurts men" will elicit a blank stare and a "so what?"

You have to say "bashing men is bad because it hurts women," because bashing men is perfectly allowed, but hurting women isn't. That's the rule and Cathy is using it.

[–]HugoBorden 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The only way you can criticize feminism is by saying "This thing that feminists are doing is ultimately bad for feminism so they should stop."

They control social discourse 100%. Articles like this are just meant to spice up the femibot propaganda fare, and to reinforce the programming even further.

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Eh. I wouldn't say 100%.

[–]HugoBorden 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

OK 99%. Places like this are 1%. That's why I'm here. :)

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Take heart. Back in the early '90s, I really think the media was worse in some ways. The feminists back then couldn't be called-out on their BS. Today, people are talking-back enough that the feminists are demanding that the Internet be censored. Which it probably won't be.

[–]cozmickid80 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly, yes. I have liked some of her stuff before. Guess I should have prefaced it with an acknowledgment of her previous stances and the hardships of writing feminist stuff in this age...oh well.

[–]blueoak9[S] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, the problem with misandric feminism isn't that it's hurtful to men and boys; that it's sexist and outright wrong...but that it's bad for feminism

She was talking to people with a sociopathic disregard for any kind of harm to men.

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I concur. That is how it is.

"You shouldn't shoot those men, ladies. The pistol's recoil might sprain your pretty little wrist. Plus, you might chip your fingernails or get blood on your shoes and no one wants that..."

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feng is correct that Cathy had to argue harm for feminism/women rather than harm for men; even MRAs have to do that sometimes. But that situation only emphasises society's bias and exacerbates out predicament. We should be able to simply argue gross injustice to men and to shout it from the rooftops.

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[–]itgscv1 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish most regular people would learn this. Go look at top voted comment and it basically dismisses the entire article.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not about Feminism alone. Women often just learn to look down on men when they follow (women's) media and speak with each other. Some of them, especially when young, think that the dismissive discourse is more universally accepted than it really is. They carry on with it in social media and perhaps even in their work lives and when speaking with men.

Feminists take advantage of this and other misandrist cultural phenomena. Of course they also strengthen it and try to find new ways of utilizing it. The more people hate or despise men, the better off they think women are. That's a huge mistake, perhaps their biggest.

[–]Mackowatosc 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women in general treat men badly. Then are surprised that men say "fuck this" and do MGTOW.

[–]equiposeur 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great article! Falls just short at the end, though, by declining to jettison feminism entirely, in favor of egalitarianism.

[–]rg57 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In other words, being bad to men is only bad when it harms feminism.

The author is not very self aware.

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cathy's article has been noticed by this popular legal blog:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/06/30/cathy-young-on-feminism-and-men/

Most of the comments are anodyne. AmosArch's is good,as well as CensoredPianist:

Feminists who criticize people for mansplaining, manspreading, etc. are usually ovary acting.

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