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19 year old woman who committed sex offenses against 3 children and said "I'm probably going to jail for it. I'll still do it when I get out" walks free from court

xynomaster

June 15, 2016
230 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3642538/Teenage-girl-sex-young-boy-car-beach-engaged-sex-acts-underage-girls-claiming-age-just-number-spared-jail.html
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Title 19 year old woman who committed sex offenses against 3 children and said "I'm probably going to jail for it. I'll still do it when I get out" walks free from court
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xynomaster

Upvotes 230
Comments 35
Date June 15, 2016 2:43 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4o7n06/19_year_old_woman_who_committed_sex_offenses/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/19-year-old-woman-who-committed-sex-offenses.947357
https://theredarchive.com/post/947357
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Comments

[–]HeForeverBleeds 56 points57 points58 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"You've had a very tragic past for which you are in no way responsible."

In other words, judges are more concerned about the emotional well-being of female rapists than they are about the children they've raped and will rape in the future. So what else is new?

And if having a "tragic past" is all a person needs to abscond from a prison sentence, probably a good 90% of male sexual predators shouldn't be in jail right now either. But I guess it's called a Pussy Pass for a reason

"All this happened a considerable time ago, two years since the last offence."

Firstly, two years is not a considerable amount of time ago. Secondly, she clearly states she has no qualms about doing it again, making her at a very high risk of re-offending. Thirdly, considering her inclinations I wouldn't be surprised at if she had done it more recently and simply wasn't caught for it

[+]OleAllexAli -25 points-24 points-23 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rubbish, from start to finsh.

a) It's The Mail. Don't take it as gospel.

b) >In other words, judges are more concerned about the emotional well-being of female rapists than they are about the children they've raped and will rape in the future. So what else is new?

No evidence of your conjecture there. Just the long established principal of common law in effect.

c) > no qualms about doing it again

You're a fucking idiot. It's right there in the article: she has no qualms about contacting them again, not having sex them.

This is a teenager having sex with another teenager. No one needs their life ruining over it. Though pricks like you would happily see it happen to prove a point.

[–]mwobuddy 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a teenager having sex with another teenager. No one needs their life ruining over it. Though pricks like you would happily see it happen to prove a point.

It seems like a lot of people in this sub are choosing the tactic of denouncing lenient sentences for non-crimes such as these, because young or old men get it much more harshly, and they wish women would get it as harsh.

It makes sense in the context that if you argue for lesser punishment for men to fit the rates of women, you're called a pedophile supporter or a supporter of child or teen rape, even though it is neither rape nor pedophilia.

By playing into the game, rather than meeting the obstacle head on, they're helping perpetuate sex predator and pedophilia/child molesting hysteria where there is normal sex going on.

[–]furchfur 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This sentence needs appealing. If it were a man he would have been locked up. Until there is consistency in the application of the law; the law will not change.

https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-low-crown-court-sentence

[–]Ultramegasaurus 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Feminists should be outraged at that, not at the guy who got 6 months.

[–]omegaphallic 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, big time, and she's not a one time offender, multiple offenses, has no probkem doing it again, gets zero fucking jail time vs. a drunken idiot, rapes a unconscious woman with his finger, extremely unlikely to reoffend gets 6 months in prison, gets on the sex offender registry for life, and but that lenient and people want the judges head for it.

This is what a double standard looks like, this is why female privledge looks like, this is what mysandry looks like!

[–]ShutupPussy 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They should be outraged at both

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but its a woman thats a perpetrator. Its all good for feminism.

[–]geniice 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hmm she'a 19 years old. The judge says "All this happened a considerable time ago, two years since the last offence."

That would make her 17 at the time of the offences. Article claims 18 for at least one offence. Those communited while 17 would make her a juvenile offender while those over would be catogorised as young offender. Throw in further time off for the guilty plea and well its lower than I would expect but not completely insane.

The the Judge would also have made their decission based on up to date repeorts rather than statements made at the time of her arrest (Ie those in the sensationalist headline).

[–]mwobuddy -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The only thing that matters is the leniency due to "poor baby" effect.

This shouldn't even be a crime in the first place if she didn't force anyone into sex (e.g. actual rape).

[–]geniice 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only thing that matters is the leniency due to "poor baby" effect.

The relivant mitigating factors are well established.

This shouldn't even be a crime in the first place if she didn't force anyone into sex (e.g. actual rape).

Age of consent in the UK is 16.

[–]omegaphallic 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where is the rage machine that wants to get that Judge who was merciful to Brock Turner fire/hung/raped ect... on this. Fucking hypocrits.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where the hell is Frank Castle when you need him?

Actually, given Marvel's PCness, he is probably Francesca Castle by now...

[–]toothpickhd 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is so similar to that stanford case with the getting off easy part. Wheres the outrage from the media over this?

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is so similar to that stanford case with the getting off easy part.

Brock turner didn't plead guilty and wasn't 17 at the time of any of the offences in question.

[–]herewegoaga1n 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

MOTHERFUCKERS!

[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]mwobuddy -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IKR. If she needs to get fucked so bad, there's plenty of guys out there to help. She doesn't need to break a law, no matter how retarded a law it is.

[–]DailMail_Bot 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Non-Daily Mail Mirror

Code on github.

[–]bettingdog000 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

in a french accent "ahh Europe where white women go to rape children."

[+]mwobuddy -9 points-8 points-7 points 10 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Where does it say she raped anyone?

[–]Endless_Summer 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Non consensual sex is called rape

[–]garglemesh42 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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What is this?

[–]OleAllexAli -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This happened in Britain, where your opinion doesn't matter.

[–]mwobuddy -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

He doesn't believe that statutory rape is really rape.

I don't agree with him.

So let me guess. You think that a 16 year old in nevada is consenting to sex, but they're magically a rape victim if they go to NY and get fucked there?

NV age of consent 16

NY age of consent 18

So by law, she's apparently perfectly capable of fucking any guy of any age and not being a victim of rape, but go to NY and she's been victimized just like a woman who was drugged or beaten in an alley or forced by her dad, etc?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4o200c/if_the_statutory_objective_is_to_exclude_or/

[–]mwobuddy -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Are you really going to adhere to the legal definition of non-consensual sex?

If it was really rape, the law would imprison anyone that fell under that definition for a long time. In the U.S. its about 20 years.

So U.S. law for rape = 20 years. U.S. law for statutory = ~5-8 years.

If it was actual rape, the penalty would be the same whether it was a crime of one adult on another in real rape, or one adult on an underage in this mythical "rape" of non-consent due to underage. If it was real rape, the penalty would be the same. Doyagetit?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4o200c/if_the_statutory_objective_is_to_exclude_or/

[–]Endless_Summer 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Are you really going to adhere to the legal definition of non-consensual sex?

Yes

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

So a 16 year old fucks a 20 or 40 year old in Nevada or the UK. They're perfectly fine and not screwed up by it because the law says they're fine.

A 16 year old fucks a 20 or 40 year old in NY. They're the same person, now a victim of a traumatic instance of non-consensual sex (what you like to call rape), because the law says so.

I have to believe you're trolling, because implying the law flips a magical "Im traumatized" switch in the brain is retarded.

[–]dork_souls 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So what's the point in even having a law about these things if you can just dismiss it any time because you don't agree?

What's the point of an age of consent if any other place undermines it? There are places around the world with an age of consent of 14. Does that mean you should be able to pick up a 14 year old in the US, take her to Peru and fuck her, and everything is great?

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You're more making the point or the question I've been rhetorically or nonrhetorically asking for ages.

Its all about perception. You're a young man or a young woman around 14-16 in some cultures, particularly those of third world where things are not as "advanced". In first world, you're strictly a child until 18 by most people's views, and/or you're even a child until around 22-24, lately it seems.

I don't really have the answer, but based on experience and a lot of thinking, I have the inclination that none of it seems rational.

Suppose you have a 15 or 16 year old of either gender begging for the D or P.

If they go into a closet, and the other person who enters and fucks them might be 16 or 40, what is the difference in the mental "damage" based on age if they don't know the age of the other person? It seems like a silly concept, but I grew up around sex permissive partying high schoolers; girls would praise each other for getting some if they blew a guy, they'd get drunk and walk around naked, they'd pair off for the night with some guy because it was a culture.

We're somehow asked to believe that sex and sexuality is fine and dandy when its two teens, but if the age of the skin cells of some penis or vaginas is too far different from one of the participants, trauma is suddenly invoked.

The opposite of this is that yes, it is true, sometimes older more experienced people are better at manipulation, but if we really cared about the harm from manipulation we'd police teen on teen relationships far more closely, and possibly imprison a teen who manipulates or coercers another into sex when it iosn't clearly rape (with the implication due to society that this would far more often be the male teen).

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/10/08/230428115/many-teens-admit-to-coercing-others-into-sex

Allie Kilpatrick and and Judith Levine have done their research into this area, and though their work is condemned by CONGRESS, among all things, for being "pedophilia supporting", they do not support pedophilia like a man or woman raping 6 year olds, but they do make the point that whether it is a teen on teen relationship or teen with adult relationship, the overwhelming average of "harm" AND "benefit" to the teen is largely the same. Age is practically a non-factor, whether abuse is involved or not involved.

[–]dork_souls 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You're more making the point or the question I've been rhetorically or nonrhetorically asking for ages.

Kind of. I've seen you post it about, and I somewhat agree. I just can't agree with the idea of shrugging off the law because it's different somewhere else. The law where you are is what goes, not the law in New York, y'know?

Still you do bring up interesting points. I can't address the whole thing atm as I'm at work and supposed to be... working. But its a difficult subject because I do think that an adult has a much higher chance of causing harm, knowingly or not, to a teenager by engaging in a sexual relationship with them.

For example, an adult with more sexual experience is usually more confident with what they want and don't want. This isn't inherently harmful, but it can cause the adult to convince, coerce, or force the younger party into doing something they wouldn't do under normal circumstances. And this could be done under the guise of 'experience', or something to make the teen second guess themselves about how wrong it can be if an adult wants to do it.

Buuuuuut that's just speculation, so I might as well be talking out of my arse.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Nothing stops sexy jock #12 in high school from abusing his position of desirability to extract sex from lots of girls who will then feel used because they aren't the only girl.

[–]dork_souls 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That is true. That doesn't discount the idea that an adult has greater means of manipulation, though. I don't deny that teen-on-teen relationships could be abusive - my girlfriend's ex was abusive - but I think its much easier for someone older to take advantage of their position.

A friend of your parents or a teacher is in a position of trust and has a much greater capability for convincing you of what you 'need' or 'want', or what is 'right'.

[–]Endless_Summer 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, those are the laws

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Which are implying a nonsensical reality. Claiming something is rape is very serious. If you or anyone else calls it rape when its illegal in one state, and not rape when its legal in another state, whether its the united states or a state like UK/Spain, is a disservice to actual rape victims.

If rape laws were removed tomorrow, rape would still be very real to those who experience forced, non-consensual sex that is the definition of actual rape. If you can say that it is not rape where it is legal to have sex with a 16 year old, then there is no way it can be rape if the age of consent is 18; it just happens to be a legal rather than a moral ruling.

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