Legislature OKs Bill To Revoke Paternity In Cases Of Rape

2016-06-04T19:15:09+00:00

Without a conviction, current law only allows the woman to seek to have parenting time or custody denied.

Wait...so they want to pull this shit without even a conviction? Can you say "Civil Rights Violation"?

DavidByron2 · 2016-06-04T18:49:15+00:00

So a man has no right to say he doesn't want to be a parent, but the woman does.

And although this heading says only if the man is a rapist, in fact the law already exists if the father is a rapist -- this law is for when he is not a convicted rapist but the mother says he is a rapist anyway.

Pariahdog119 · 2016-06-04T18:50:51+00:00

Note - this bill allows for paternity to be revoked using the civil burden of proof (preponderance of evidence) rather than criminal (reasonable doubt.)

While rapists should have absolutely no paternal rights to children conceived through rape, under this bill any woman could potentially have a father's rights revoked by accusing him of rape in civil court, where the burden of proof will be on the father to prove he didn't rape anyone, rather than on the prosecutor to prove he did.

TBFProgrammer · 2016-06-04T20:18:44+00:00

Civil court has no business deciding criminal questions. They can base a ruling on a criminal court's ruling or any fact finding publicized by a jury (usually as part of sentencing guidance), but should go no further.

Pariahdog119 · 2016-06-04T19:32:52+00:00

Meanwhile, men raped by women have to pay child support...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/09/03/child-support-statutory-rape-justice-law-men-column/15044791/

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-governance-feminism/legally-obscene/

http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberthirtysix.htm

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/he-says-he-said-no-to-sex-now-says-no-to-child-support/1183449

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer

HotDealsInTexas · 2016-06-04T20:42:44+00:00

The bill sent to Snyder by the Senate on Tuesday allows a mother who proves by “clear and convincing” evidence that her child was conceived as a result of rape to have the perpetrator’s paternity revoked.

What kind of "clear and convincing" evidence is this? I can see the courtrooms now...

"Your honor, based on the fact that the defendant is an ugly loser my client would clearly never have slept with him of her own free will."

Mens-Advocate · 2016-06-05T06:07:07+00:00

The greatest defect is the (unintended?) consequence of such a law: A rush by women to claim rape merely as a pretext to exclude the father from the child's life.

bettingdog000 · 2016-06-04T18:28:08+00:00

here is the bill

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28j4k4anczcw3fx2v25y33uzwa%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=2016-SB-0858

azazelcrowley · 2016-06-04T22:17:59+00:00

Worse news than I initially thought when I read the title.

It's a civil burden, not a criminal.
It applies to women removing paternity from men, but not men removing themselves from paternity if raped.

2016-06-05T00:17:56+00:00

This is absolutely vile. Among the most egregious civil rights violations posted on this thread. Yet I bet the news won't even cover it.

DaneWhitman · 2016-06-04T21:46:02+00:00

It would be interesting to see whether the bill applies in cases of statutory rape, as well. If so, that could potentially help some of the underage boys who have been required to pay child support after being taken advantage of by adult women. If parental rights can also be terminated in cases of statutory rape, that should at least allow some of these boys to pursue an equal protection challenge if they are denied the same protection from the law.

FastFourierTerraform · 2016-06-06T18:03:39+00:00

And here I was, thinking this article was about male rape victims being able to decline paternity so that they don't have to pay their rapists child support.

Silly me.

2016-06-05T00:17:51+00:00

Good timing.

Saudi Arabia recently allowed women to drive in some circumstances.

2016-06-05T04:09:53+00:00

Does this apply across state lines? What if the child is conceived in a different state but she claims rape in this state? Does it still work if the act didn't take place in this state?

Title	Legislature OKs Bill To Revoke Paternity In Cases Of Rape
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Date	June 4, 2016 6:27 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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