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Election 2016: Chicks v. Dicks - “My guts tell me that a Hillary Clinton presidency would be far more hostile toward male interests than Donald Trump’s would be toward women.”

HugoBorden

May 31, 2016
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Title Election 2016: Chicks v. Dicks - “My guts tell me that a Hillary Clinton presidency would be far more hostile toward male interests than Donald Trump’s would be toward women.”
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HugoBorden

Upvotes 238
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Date May 31, 2016 8:13 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4lx9hi/election_2016_chicks_v_dicks_my_guts_tell_me_that/
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[–]HugoBorden[S] 60 points61 points62 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You may not have realized it, but there’s a War on Women in America these days. Pay no mind that no one quite seems capable of articulating how our society is unfair to women. They keep dredging up the mythical wage gap, but that’s about it. And something about there not being enough free condoms. Otherwise, women live longer, work the safest jobs, and get drastically shorter prison sentences for committing the same crimes as men. And forget that they enjoy the sumptuous luxury of enjoying automatic and nearly universal public and legal sympathy in just about any dispute with men.

I like his style! There are also embedded links there.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points37 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I don't like Trump, but he's better for my interests than Clinton would be. That shouldn't be true. I'm pretty down on my luck right now. But it is, what it is. Trump opposes free trade, Trump opposes a government that, in New York at least, feels one step below a police state. Trump doesn't hate men, and I'm pretty sure that HRC does.

[–]electricalnoise 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm with you at this point, also in NY. Hillary is disastrous for everyone not named Hillary Clinton.

[–]probably_a_squid 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Considering Clinton's statements on "the primary victims of war", I think Trump would be much more empathetic to the men serving in our military. He would be less likely to send our boys overseas and sacrifice thousands of male lives, American or otherwise.

[–]cymrich 24 points25 points26 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe Trump would be hostile toward women at all... not pandering to them does not equate to hostility. I don't like Trump because I don't trust his (corporate)motivations, not because I feel he is sexist.

clinton on the other hand is just hostile in general, but even more so toward men! I always like to remember the video where she was in a foreign country representing the US and someone asked a question which she mistook as them asking her to tell them her husband's thoughts on the issue being discussed. she was snotty and rude in her reply which was something like "if you want to know what my husband thinks then go ask him!". that is how she acts toward other women while representing the US in a foreign country... I can only imagine what we are in for if she gets elected!

[–]ThePigmanAgain 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

My opposition to HC isn't even based on her feminism. Compared to her warmongering and plutocratic ways, feminism is the least of her sins. The woman is a war waiting to happen. Vote Trump -- He Ain't THAT Bad!

[–]titsnass01 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats a good campaign slogan

[–]amendment64 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Eh no thanks

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Downvoted for not being a Trump supporter. Don't sweat it. These morons are just desperate to bow down to a dictator.

Supporting Trump has nothing to do with men's rights.

[–]HugoBorden[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But opposing Hillary does!

[–]Ninja_Arena 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You might be right, still wouldn't vote trumo

[–]RZRtv 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate both Trump and Clinton and will vote for neither in this upcoming election. I'm sympathetic to movements for both men and women, though most of my efforts go to men because it's "my fight."

But this title is a bit too far. I completely disagree.

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

How did America did to this point where you have to choose between a president who will openly hostile to men or one that might be openly hostile to women.

Goddams you fools you could have had Bernie Sanders!

[–]lasciate 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not sure where you get that Trump is openly hostile to women.

Goddams you fools you could have had Bernie Sanders!

We still might. The largest state in the Union has its primary in a week and Sanders is leading there. The Democratic National Convention has a semi-corrupt format with party leaders and insiders getting a sort of "super-vote", and most of those have pledged to go for Hillary. But if Sanders can hold on past the first ballot we might see something amazing.

[–]trashcan86 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It sort of pains me to say this, but as a sane person I feel that Sanders is our best shot if we don't want a) war on other peaceful countries that Trump deems "hostile" or b) men. At least he will make significant changes regarding tech legislation, which excites me as a Linux and FOSS fan.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Goddams you fools you could have had Bernie Sanders!

Swap one wage gap dogmatist for another? No thanks.

[–]trashcan86 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It sort of pains me to say this, but as a sane person I feel that Sanders is our best shot if we don't want a) war on other peaceful countries that Trump deems "hostile" or b) men. At least he will make significant changes regarding tech legislation, which excites me as a Linux and FOSS fan.

[–]EgoandDesire 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you think Trump wants to go to war with peaceful countries, you have been massively misinformed. He wants to pull out of NATO and focus on America first.

[–]Fwob 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And create conflict with Iran.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What makes you think Trump will declare war on other countries? It's Clinton that has a neo-con record, not Trump.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Because he's a bully with poor impulse control. I don't think he has the temperment to be president. I don't think he understands our constitutional system of government. I think he's dangerous, to our country and the world, because he's impetuous and dumb.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He can't do much without the support of the majority of politicians, hence his supposedly poor impulse control is not much of a worry.

HC is at least as much a bully, if the women who have worked for her are telling us the truth.

If he doesn't understand the constitution, i am sure his cabinet will set him straight.

HC is the one who voted to slaughter half a million Iraqis and the one who supports the TPP -- that is dangerous to the US and the world, much more so than insulting the Mexicans and the Muslims.

As for dumb, if he is so dumb, how the fuck did he manage to con so many into giving him the nomination?

Vote Trump -- He Ain't That Bad!

[–]HugoBorden[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

HC is the one who voted to slaughter half a million Iraqis and the one who supports the TPP

This would definitely enter into my calculations. And half of them would have been women.

Feminists, vote for Hillary because she murdered all these women!

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[–]HugoBorden[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The GOP est is afraid because Trump is basically an isolationist that has bashed every military engagement in the last 15 years (even, omg, Bush's war).

Trump is the peace candidate.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are much bigger fish to fry then the wage gap myth, I trade that issue for all the benifits of Bernie Sanders.

[–]Terraneaux 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Goddams you fools you could have had Bernie Sanders!

You know, as a left-leaning type, I don't necessarily think that Bernie is the best thing for men - not particularly sold on Trump, either, as 'alpha male' types tend to see other men as competition. But what I can be damn sure about is that Hillary would be terrible for men. Wealthy women are oftentimes exceedingly callous about the fate of the average man on the street - even if they don't display psychopathic traits, which Hillary certainly does. And given that she's known to be very vindictive, and young men are a group that tends not to support her... I could see things getting rough.

Sanders is definitely drinking the feminist kool-aid, but I do see him as being less harmful to men as a class than Hillary would be. There's also the question of how much the 'Bernie Bros' attacks on his supporters have reached him, and what he thinks about it, with his comments referencing that earlier this election cycle. All a moot point now I suppose.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Where is the evidence that Trump might be openly hostile to women?

[–]omegaphallic -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I said MIGHT. I guess we'll see.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even "might" requires evidence, as just about anything "might" be true. Trump may, for example, turn out to be openly hostile towards old men with orange skin.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I won't register as a Democrat after Obama sold that party to the bankers. So I couldn't vote in their primaries.

The Republicans are simply more welcoming to Independent voters.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

we will likely see the end of the bipartisan system and adopt a multiple party system similar to the UK at this rate. I'm of the mindset that people should only be writing laws in areas they specialize or have notable experience in. E.G. These dinosaurs shouldn't be writing tech law regarding tech they have absolutely no clue about.

[–]Nion_zaNari 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I kind of hope Trump wins. It's the clearest way I can see for the two-party system to end, as once the system doesn't produce candidates the establishment likes there is incentive to change it for the people with the power to change it. A Trump vs Sanders election would be even better, but that seems unlikely at this point.

[–]lasciate 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Informed advisors and special-interest groups' lobbyists write the laws.

Elected officials are just figureheads. They're uninformed about 90% of the issues that come to their attention. To be fair, anyone would be. And some congressmen are well-informed on Tech issues and they often lead the discussions surrounding those issues in the legislature.

[–]trashcan86 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's no reason that we're getting wrecked on internet speeds by Romania and such countries. Fuck incompetent dinosaur lawmakers and their lobbyist buddies.

[–]Demonspawn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

we will likely see the end of the bipartisan system and adopt a multiple party system similar to the UK at this rate.

Will never happen as long as the US uses a First Past the Post election system. We'd need a Constitutional Amendment to git rid of the 1.5 party system.

[–]HugoBorden[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If one of the parties splits, here comes multiparty system. 2=1 party system is a joke.

[–]NUMBERS2357 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I think a Clinton administration would do things that are bad for men, less because of anything she may or may not think (I know about the quote about women in war but I don't read too much into it tbh), and more because of the general party structure that will take over/remain in place if she wins. To take current Title IX shit, it's all the government's doing, but I imagine Obama doesn't really care much about it. It's all the lower appointees who come into power when their side wins.

But other than that, I think Hillary will be fine, gender's not the only issue, and I think Trump will be a total disaster and there's no way in hell I'll vote for him. If Hillary wins, every radical feminist with some blog writing about "power structures" or whatever will have some direct line into federal government policy. But they're better than conspiracy-mongering white nationalists and Vladimir Putin.

[–]HugoBorden[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But they're better than conspiracy-mongering white nationalists and Vladimir Putin.

Is Putin running for US President? How come I missed the news? :(

[–]NUMBERS2357 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The Democrats have generally appointed the more gender-egalitarian Supreme Court justices. Scalia, Roberts, Alito and Thomas actually voted to deny any due process to people facing jail for nonpayment of child support. If the conservatives had their way, the state wouldn't even have to give you a form to fill out to determine whether you have the ability to earn income, before throwing you in jail.

Conservatives are not our friends, particularly within the legal establishment. A Trump selected justice could be a disaster. Although I'm not thrilled with her, I'd much prefer Clinton.

[–]NUMBERS2357 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah good point. Personally I'd also point to abortion as somewhere where I agree with Clinton and not with Trump (I don't think he actually cares about abortion, but I think he'd appoint a conservative pro-life Justice). And gay marriage - it's possible that if Trump is President, the gay marriage case could be overturned.

[–]HugoBorden[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Clinton brigade is here. Soon we'll learn that she's a secret MRA!

[–]NUMBERS2357 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I post on r/mensrights frequently, and I don't think I ever post on any pro-Hillary subs. I'm hardly some brigade coming from some other place, though that description could apply to some Trump types who didn't know about this sub until relatively recently and found it through r/The_Donald or whatever else.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No shit Sherlock. Everyone knows that college kangaroo courts are just a trial (npi) for the real thing, and if she gets affirmative consent will be rolled out nationwide.

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Trump has repeatedly shown he does not cave to feminist bullying.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well no shit; there is no male voting block that will see harmful legislation on women as support for men.

[–]minuswhale -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Come November, folks in this thread better vote.

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[–]Redmayn 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

But HRC is worse by all those metrics

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[–]ThePigmanAgain 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

she is more moderate

LOL. She's is far right, he is center right. She is a neo-liberal, he ain't. She is a neo-con, he ain't. You have apparently been paying no attention at all to what has been going on.

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[–]Redmayn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You can argue these things forever because different people will interpret these points differently. For example to say HRC is experienced I say that just means she is corrupt and we need someone who is from outside the establishment to go in for a change.

Donald Trump has to say the stupid stuff to get the low info voters behind him. However he knows full well he cannot deport 10 million people (well he could legally despite what you said because ahem they are illegals) because they are required for the economy. There is already a wall between America and Mexico.

For things he doesn't know about he would have advisors. He will listen to them for everything unless they go against his deepest convictions, like his isolationist stance which I support 100%

But most of all I will vote for him because HRC causes feelings of revulsion and hatred.

But I voted for Obama twice

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[–]Redmayn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am a far left socialist. I voted Obama twice though got burned the second time when he didn't shut down Gitmo and extended the illegal drone murder program which recruits more terrorists than it kills and his destruction of Libya for no fucking reason at all.

Democrats are not leftwing. I voted D in every election major and minor my entire life because they were slightly left of the republicans. The lesser of two evils.

This election, unless there is a miracle and Sanders gets through, I will be voting Trump. In order of importance are my reasons.

  1. Trump is not HRC. I am a man. HRC hates men and will oppress me personally as a man.

There is an enormous gulf between my primary reason and the next reason on the list. The gulf is so large that even if these other reasons were otherwise it still would not sway reason number one but here goes anyway.

  1. Trump is isolationist. We need to withdraw from NATO and the ME and Asia immediately. We have no business interfering in other parts of the world outside our area of influence. Trump agrees. HRC wants to expand Americas illegal wars to more nations and may spark WW3 with Russia or China and then we all die because HRC thinks with her vagina.

  2. All those inane things Trump says he would do like build a wall kill the families of terrorists so on, guess what Obama a democrat already does these things. There is already a wall. If a wall is so inane then why doesn't HRC advocate tearing it down. If walls are a bad thing, and I seem to remember how the USSR was demonised over a much smaller wall, then how come HRC will continue the wall policies? Not only does Obama kill the families of terrorists he kills bystanders friends visitors ambulance and medical workers who come to help the wounded and so on. Obama murders far more people than even Bush. HRC says she will increase these illegal murder program's not wind them back.

I believe Trump purposely chooses these issues and makes them out in an inane manner to draw attention to these policies that are already in operation and mock them. At the same time he attracts the low info voters by seeming to be in favor of them. Meanwhile he speaks over their heads to me saying wink wink look how crazy these CURRENT policies are and look. I can even make the democrats scramble to oppose their own policies only slightly rebranded.

I don't despise HRC because of republican propaganda as you suggest. I despise HRC because she is the worst candidate for president ever.

There probably is a woman who is capable of being president. Australia had a good female PM a few years ago. Julia Gillard. But HRC is not a woman capable of being president.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What the fuck are you on about?!?!?!

To support Trump and then say Hillary is neo-liberal is a contradiction, especially when Trump has a very shaky record on big issues like abortion and guns where he still maintains liberal perspectives.

What does neo-liberalism have to do with abortion?!?!?!

In fact, if you check Politifact, which is a Pulitzer Prize winning organization, Hillary Clinton(23%) is reported to tell the whole truth roughly 11.5 times as much as Donald Trump (2%).

What the fuck does lying have to do with being a neo-con?!?!?!

You are either insane, or have no idea what neo-liberal and neo-con mean.

I support Trump because he has been against the Iraq war for over a decade, while Clinton actually voted for the fucking thing and defended her decision for many years. Another reason is that Clinton is a big fan of the TPP, which nobody needs unless they are mega-rich.

Seriously, you need to stay out of political debates if you don't know what neo this and neo that actually means.

[–]HugoBorden[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are either insane, or have no idea what neo-liberal and neo-con mean.

Or he may be part of a brigade. They just throw anything they can at Trump and hope some of it sticks.

This whole abortion thing is a distraction. Since when can any president do anything about it? While I'm generally supportive of abortion rights, Trump's position on this is about the last thing on my list to worry about.

[–]Redmayn 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I support Bernie. But the democrat machine cheated him.

In the race between HRC and Trump I support Trump because I despise HRC and merely dislike Trump.

Further Trump is a candidate from outside the political machine like Bernie.

[–]HugoBorden[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My own position is pretty close. I just hope that Trump can be an icebreaker that can clear the terrible logjam that US politics has become. He is not that bad!

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