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finally! a small victory... Ontario Govt in Canada extending free HPV vaccines to boys....bout friggin time.

Machnow

April 22, 2016
56 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/ontario-extending-free-hpv-vaccines-to-boys-1.2869481
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Title finally! a small victory... Ontario Govt in Canada extending free HPV vaccines to boys....bout friggin time.
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Machnow

Upvotes 56
Comments 22
Date April 22, 2016 1:17 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]fengpi 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I once saw a feminist on Salon arguing in favor of something like this.

Her concern was about the health of gay men. The straight ones can go jump-off a cliff, I guess.

[–]JohnKimble111 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hard to judge without reading the article but the whole reason there's such a great case for giving the HPV vaccine to men is because of the massive benefits for homosexuals.

The majority of lives saved would be homosexual men, that's despite them being such a tiny percentage of the population. It's quite damming that we don't hear mass outrage from the LGB community about the issue TBH.

[–]dungone 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You must be thinking about HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. HPV is the virus that gives you cancer.

[–]JohnKimble111 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No but that's part of the issue. HIV weakens the immune system which lessens resistance to HPV.

[–]dungone 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I find that reasoning to be tautological at best. AIDS lessens resistance to every conceivable disease. By this logic, homosexuals are the whole reason why there's such a great case to be made for any vaccine.

[–]prodiver 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Her arguement makes sense.

If all females are given the vaccine for free then all straight males are automatically protected.

Only gay/bi males would be having sex with unvaccinated people.

[–]fengpi -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Michael Douglas identified HPV as the cause of his throat cancer. Is he not straight enough for you?

Also, if a straight man is vaccinated, it'll protect a future female sexual partner who isn't vaccinated. It is rather difficult to ensure that "all" females are going to be vaccinated; it is a problem all vaccination programs have always run into. Do I need to do all the thinking around here?

[–]xynomaster 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is great news!

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I should say it is.

[–]NOT_A_SENTIENT_DILDO 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats seriously huge!

[–]baserace 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

2nd in line as always, but excellent progress!

Thanks to all who raised awareness and kicked up a fuss about this.

[–]TheDude41 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did they do it because they listened to us, or because they fucking ignored us as usual and listened to someone else?

[–]goodfoobar 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a testament to the marketing power of the vaccine industry. First the incidence rate of HPV is very low and the progression is very slow. If you are one of the unlucky few to get it the treatments are effective. This alone makes large scale prevention programs questionable. Putting money into making vehicles safer has prevented much more suffering then this vaccine could ever do simply due to the raw number of incidences.

The above is assuming that the vaccine is actually effective and safe. There are numerous reports that the vaccine is not effective and may actually have harmful side effects. This is a victory for the vaccine company, not the general public who has to pay for it.

[–]HugoBorden 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"This is a testament to the marketing power of the vaccine industry."

No kidding!

And it's also a testament to how little our general population understands what's going on in the health field. I certainly believe that HPV vaccine is terrible for women. But, then, to give it to men is to multiply all the bad arguments tenfold.

[–]roharareddit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not a small victory.

[+]HugoBorden -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So I guess these boys will never develop cervical cancer! This is called progress, I guess...

Meanwhile, the side-effects of vaccine...

[–]rg57 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

HPV also causes oral and anal cancer in men. But even if it didn't, men don't want to watch their wife or girlfriend die of any of these things.

[–]HugoBorden -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

“HPV also causes oral and anal cancer in men.”

I don't believe it for a second.

“But even if it didn't, men don't want to watch their wife or girlfriend die of any of these things.”

So I will help them by making myself sick too?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe it for a second.

Well, that's because you're an idiot. I know at least one man personally who had second-stage cancer from an oral HPV infection.

[–]HugoBorden 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Such personal anecdotes mean absolutely nothing. And I reported you to moderator for personal attack.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Play nice you two.

We still dont know enough how HPV interacts with males, however studies and commonsense both point to men not just being carriers of HPV, and are potentially effected by it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well the scientific facts apparently mean nothing to you.

And feel free. Do it multiple times. I am sure they will listen to an anti-vac nut very intently.

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