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Camille Paglia: Hillary’s “blame-men-first” feminism may prove costly in 2016

wrez

January 27, 2016
48 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/27/camille_paglia_hillarys_blame_men_first_feminism_may_prove_costly_in_2016/
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Title Camille Paglia: Hillary’s “blame-men-first” feminism may prove costly in 2016
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wrez

Upvotes 48
Comments 17
Date January 27, 2016 2:38 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/42xqfa/camille_paglia_hillarys_blamemenfirst_feminism/
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Comments

[–]skee_ 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Weird article. Basically an attempt at psychoanalysis. Camille does not support her claim that Hillary Clinton's brand of feminism is anti-male. She could have used Hillary's frequent quotes about women being superior to men, or her "women are the primary victims of war" bit, or her policy positions. Instead she tries to paint Hillary as a victim despite many, many accounts of her own domestic violence against Bill.

[–]waves_of_ignerence 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

many, many accounts of her own domestic violence against Bill.

Not disputing but I've never heard this (it does seem in character for her). Have any linkage?

[–]skee_ 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3259491/Hillary-Clinton-beats-husband-Bill-terrorizes-staff-new-book-claims.html

Of course should be taken with more than a grain of salt as nothing has been proven, and Republicans have a vested interest in demonizing her, however the allegations come from quite a lot of different people and they certainly seem consistent with her character. Apparently she also abused members of the Secret Service. She's hated for good reason.

"She also claimed that Clinton would become angry when people tried to disagree with her and would hold a vindictive grudge.

'The President didn't really attack people personally, Mrs. Clinton sometimes did....not only would she humiliate you in front of your colleagues or whoever happened to be around, Hillary tended to kind of run a campaign against people behind their back and that was certainly my experience,' reported New Buster.

At the height of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, staff overheard another of Hillary's alleged violent outbursts against her husband, according to another book.

'You stupid, stupid, stupid bastard,' Hillary shouted, wrote Christopher Andersen in American Evita: Hillary Clinton's Path to Power.

'In the past, Hillary had thrown books and an ashtray at the president — both hitting their mark . . . Hillary slapped him across the face — hard enough to leave a red mark that would be clearly visible to Secret Service agents when he left the room.

The book, which claims to be based on accounts by those close the Clintons, also describes Hillary throwing things at her husband during limo rides.

One of their drivers alleged that she would throw: 'Yellow legal pads, files, briefing books, car keys...'

[–]waves_of_ignerence 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. Going to read now.

[–]ChickensDontClap90 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Domestic violence?

[–]pintocat 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a pretty light article, not really much substance to it at all

[–]xNOM 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Light on facts. But the personality analysis is creepy. Camille should be a police profiler.

[–]wrez[S] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Hillary Clinton has ruthlessly attacked the women with whom her husband had affairs. Again and again she smeared them, and destroyed their reputations. If anything, her road to the Whitehouse has been built on the bodies of the women she abused.

We in MR stand for human rights; the full enfranchisement, and equal opportunity of both genders. This includes all the responsibilities and duties that comes with a gender blind society, including compulsory service, if so required.

[–]derpylord143 -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Not true, and its a common misconception unfortunately, while we in the MRA support mens rights, we don't by any means HAVE to support womens rights, trans rights, gay rights etc. In fact as a group, we only have 1 thing common for certain with the next guy and that is we support men's rights... yes the majority of us do support the things above, but that has nothing to do with our support of the MRA. Many individuals here might think "women shouldn't be out of the kitchen" (to use the cliche) but that doesnt prevent them being an MRA... now we wouldnt like them, in fact they would probably be ridiculed, but thats niether here nor there when considering if they are MRA's

[–]rottingchrist 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not true, and its a common misconception unfortunately, while we in the MRA support mens rights, we don't by any means HAVE to support womens rights

Agreed. Individually, everyone is welcome to support other social movements, but the MRM must maintain its focus on boys and men.

[–]derpylord143 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, I fully support equal rights, but this movement isn't for that, its simply for men's rights...

[–]waves_of_ignerence 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You're actually advocating we behave like feminists here.

It's disgusting on their parts and disgusting period.

[–]rottingchrist 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And you've seen how much success feminists have had. Is it really a bad idea to learn from them?

[–]derpylord143 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually the approach I'm saying is the opposite of feminism... By saying we are only for mens rights is the opposite of the road feminism has taken, where its states its for everyone's equal rights and has now turned into its current form by selecting the groups it wants and leaving out others...

[–]derpylord143 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I'm not advocating we be like feminism... Feminism claims its egalitarian... I'm Saying we be truthful... The MRM is about men's rights, we don't have to share views on anything but the fact that we support men's equal rights... Sure most of us are egalitarian, but the MRM as a movement isn't and never will be egalitarian because its focus should be and should always be men's rights... And the only requirement to be an MRA is that you support men's equal rights... This idea that being homophobic, transphibic etc. Stops you being an MRA is stupid because they have absolutely nothing to do with our movement, of course we don't let views like that or misogynist ones impact what we advocate for, but as a group it really doesn't matter if you're a trans+homophobic misogynist who supports going to war on the Martians so long as you support the MRM... Yes as a group the rest of us might hate them, ridicule them, and stop them advocating their extreme views as if they're MRM views but all that's needed to be an MRA is supporting men's equal rights and when we achieve that this group should die out...

We don't want to become feminism... Feminism started out claiming "we're for equality" yada yada yada, then started picking and choosing what they supported... We aren't the same we have a goal (men's equal rights) and when that's achieved we die out... And all you need to support that is supporting men's equal rights

[–]xNOM 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

During her two presidential campaigns, Hillary Clinton has consistently drawn greater support from women than men. Is this gender lag due to retrograde misogyny, or does Hillary project an uneasiness or ambivalence about men that complicates her appeal to a broader electorate?

I always wondered about this. Is it really men not wanting to vote for Hillary? Or women not wanting to vote for her opponent.

Democrats do better with single women. Republicans with married women. Do Dems do better with women overall?

[–]Brodman_area11 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a psychologist, I had to stop reading after about 3/4 of the way through. It was just painful. I love paglia, but this is just literature, not analysis.

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