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Deceitful surrogate mother lied to gay couple and used them as sperm donor, then refused to hand baby over... Female judge denied PP

puzzledabit

May 6, 2015
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Title Deceitful surrogate mother lied to gay couple and used them as sperm donor, then refused to hand baby over... Female judge denied PP
Author

puzzledabit

Upvotes 317
Comments 49
Date May 6, 2015 1:19 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
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Comments

[–]WynterKnight 37 points38 points39 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow... This woman should be charged with kidnapping or something... Thats insane

[–]RodneyRuxinAMA27 points 11 years ago [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that cunt, gay or not they deserve the kid under contractual law.

[–][deleted] 11 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

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[–]ghettomuffin 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Can you explain how that has anything to do with this? I'm not putting it together..

[–][deleted] 11 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]ghettomuffin 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So your logic tells you that not knowing everything there is about the 'Dred Scott Decision' is an indication of a complete 'lack of education'? Fuck off dude.

[–][deleted] 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]ghettomuffin 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ooh good one, you must be a really happy person :)

[–]BeefJerkyJerk 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I assume that you are speaking of yourself in that regard? I can't for the life of me see the similarities between an unborn baby and a slave.

[–]ghettomuffin 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Clearly we aren't on this guys level of 'intellect'

[+]strathmeyer -19 points-18 points-17 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Usually you can't sign away rights to a human who doesn't exist yet, so it would be interesting to see the contract she broke, considering she wasn't supposed to have the baby baptized without permission.

[–]huangswang 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this is what judges are supposed to be, fair and understanding to both sides. Literally impartial.

[–]sexypleurisy 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Judges still wear those weird wigs in the UK?

[–]WillBlaze 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it took them a whole year after the birth to get their child back? how fucked up

[–]EdgHG 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Seems like legal documents should be drawn up in scenarios like this.

[–]cgimusic 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like there was but judges often ignore them in favor of what they think is best for the child.

[–]bryanrobh -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought there would be previous to the insemination. This sounds like a contract deal or something to that effect.

[–]PlasmaWaffle 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Why didn't she just go get a legitimate donor? If anything, as a homophobe you'd think that she wouldn't want a baby from a gay person?

[–]Sressolf 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

My guess is that she wanted to "rescue" whatever child the couple had.

[–]HugeFish1 points 11 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

well she also probably got paid a decent amount of $ to be the surrogate. why pay for a donor when you can get paid and then just steal the baby for yourself?

[–]Sressolf 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because then you get wrapped up in a legal dispute that you're unlikely to win.

[–]thelordofcheese 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love that actually successful females are putting standard females in their place because the bullshit makes their successes seem as if they weren't earned.

[–]sarafromj 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Aren't you like...not supposed to sleep with your baby anyway? I don't have any babies but I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to sleep with them in the bed.

[–]p90xeto 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That is a tough call. When I had my first kid I looked into this quite a bit. The general consensus it seems in most the west is to have them sleep alone. However, studies have shown improvements in many aspects from co-sleeping.

Stress hormones are lower in mothers and babies who co-sleep, specifically the balance of the stress hormone cortisol, the control of which is essential for a baby's healthy growth.[19][20][21] In studies with animals, infants who stayed close to their mothers had higher levels of growth hormones and enzymes necessary for brain and heart growth.[22][23] Also, the physiology of co-sleeping babies is more stable, including more stable temperatures, more regular heart rhythms, and fewer long pauses in breathing than babies who sleep alone.[24][25]

Besides physical developmental advantages, co-sleeping may also promote long-term emotional health. In long-term follow-up studies of infants who slept with their parents and those who slept alone, the children who co-slept were happier, less anxious, had higher self-esteem, were less likely to be afraid of sleep, had fewer behavioral problems, tended to be more comfortable with intimacy, and were generally more independent as adults.[26][27][28][29] Co-sleeping from birth or soon afterwards is the norm except in some Western cultures.

Also, mothers are apparently much more likely to breastfeed longer when the child is in bed and can be quickly put to breast.

Sorry for the novel, just think this topic is interesting.

[–]Prophet6 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for posting this, ours sleep with us, always has, now 15mnths old. Seemed very natural and organic. Trade offs are the best.

[–]Polaris2246 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is natural but a bitch to stop as the kid gets older. I've been through it with our first kid, the second kid never slept with us and it was so much better.

[–]69hailsatan 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've taken phycology for some 3 years now, and I do remember learning that having the baby sleep with a parent will make the baby healthier as well as form a stronger bond. For me though, id be scared if I accidentally squished them

[–]Polaris2246 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We had our daughter in our bed for way too long when she was born...like 3+ years long. I hated it but my wife did it anyways. Our daughter got so used to it that having to break her of it wsa very very hard. When we had our son I laid down the law and said he would never sleep in our bed and he never did. He was crib trained in 2 days and was sleeping through the night in a week. Sure, all kids are different but when you let a kid sleep in the bed, its a nightmare to get them out.

[–]thelordofcheese 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How long until he learned to go out on the lawn?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You'd be surprised how aware your body is while you sleep. A child placed in the center of the bed with two parents on the outside works pretty damn well. Your body knows there's a child there, you're not going to roll over onto it.

[–]steffisaurus 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Eh... it depends. I've been working on a pedi floor for a while and the young (teenage) or unprepared mom's don't really take much heed of how much danger they place their child in. I went in one room to do vitals actually last week and the girl was snoring and elbowed her 2 week old baby in the face and didn't even wake up while the child started screaming. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of my horror stories.. :-/

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Could she have been on sleeping aids? Or other intoxicants that could have deadened her sleep awareness?

[–]steffisaurus 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Could be, which brings a whole new issue to the table. Why, after not even being in the hospital 12 hours did she take a sleep aide so potent she couldn't wake up to hear her sick baby crying?

I've seen that before too, I was literally shaking the woman's should and she just flopped around, I thought there was something wrong with her until I saw her bottle next to the pull-out bed. Like, come on... your frigging kid is sick. I've seen some crazy shit.. lol

[–]Zephs 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's... not true. My mom volunteers for a group that helps victims find resources after an assault or suicide, and things like that. One of her calls was for a parent that rolled over onto their baby and smothered it in their sleep.

Everyone always says "yeah, but I would never do that". That's exactly what the people who do it thought, too.

Should also look into parents that leave their kids in the car accidentally and the child dies. Again, parents on the outside always say they would never do it, but so did the parents that did it. And they're not all single mothers that don't know who the father is, and clearly aren't responsible in the first place. There are lawyers, doctors, nurses, teachers, everything under the sun. There was a really interesting article I read about it in the past. It just takes one mistake in your brain, and that can happen to anyone.

[–]sarafromj 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean I sleep with my dog and I roll over on her all the time. The difference is that she can push my leg or arm or whatever away and a baby couldn't. Although, like I said, I have no idea

[–]sockmess 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most people. Some people would be active dreamers even sleep walkers.

[–]Polaris2246 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She shouldn't have any visitation rights.

[–]evilchefwariobatali 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

should be allowed to see her only under the supervision of social workers.

Even that is too much.

[–]sockmess 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a minute, isn't the child always given to the mother if there is not legal agreement that the mother would only be used as a surrogate? But maybe Britain has more protection for person to person surrogates.

[–]WhatDidYouSayToMe 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The judge ordered that nobody be named, which is great. That kid doesn't need to deal with the publicity for their life.

[–]Cosmic_Bard 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck Dailymail

It's the national enquirer for england

[–]thefinalfall 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Daily mail might as well be a tabloid. Never take anything as fact from this source

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is a tabloid. Also, don't take anything in any newspaper as fact.

[–]birdsRdinosaurs 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad the dad got the kid. But holy Fuck it's hard to take the British judicial system seriously when they wear those god awful wigs and partial Santa clause costumes.

[–]TheRepostReport -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First time in many years that I've seen any judge actually use common sense and do the right thing.

[–][deleted] 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Taking that baby from all it's ever known and giving it a new home with new parents is going to cause trauma.

The baby is not forming substantial memories. This is a ludicrous notion.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't agree with Twitchh, but I think he's talking more about the changes the baby will experience rather than memories. That baby started breastfeeding, now it will never be breastfed again etc

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