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Police in some areas find only 6% of rape allegations to be worth charging over. Obviously this is because of soggy knees and not because 94% of claims were bullshit! /s

BaconCatBug

November 5, 2015
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Title Police in some areas find only 6% of rape allegations to be worth charging over. Obviously this is because of soggy knees and not because 94% of claims were bullshit! /s
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BaconCatBug

Upvotes 43
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Date November 5, 2015 2:39 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]ee4m[🍰] 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Its obviously not because 94% of claims are bullshit.

For all crimes, there police cannot go ahead with a charge because of lack of evidence, that doesn't mean they are all false reports.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It would also be irresponsible to do so; not just for railroading the accused by potentially jeopardizing justice for victim. Prematurely prosecuting without sufficient evidence will increase the likelihood of acquittal when evidence may later come to light.

[–]EeeeeeevilMan 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe not 94% but I genuinely believe (although I can't prove it) that there are far more false rape claims than actual rapes--at least in the U.S.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It makes total sense given that feminists bleat out to actual rape victims that the police will never believe them and that they'll be forced to relive their rape again and again.

This problem tends to not matter as much to people who are just trying to ruin the life of another.

[–]iainmf 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Archive didn't work for me.

New rape data for England and Wales shows regional variation

The way police and prosecutors deal with rape allegations varies widely across England and Wales, according to an Inspectorate of Constabulary report. The proportion of suspects charged with rape in 2014-15 has been falling - and is as low as 6% in one area, it shows. One in four rape cases involving a child victim led to a prosecution, and one in eight involving an adult victim. Officials said the data was a starting point to allow people to scrutinise how rape is dealt with in their area. The investigation by the multi-agency Rape Monitoring Group and published by Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC), brings together data from 42 police force areas. It found that there were 19,316 rapes against adults and 9,949 against children reported to police during the year 2014-15.

'Important questions'

Some 12% of reported rapes of adults in England and Wales resulted in a suspect being charged or summons being issued. The rate is almost double when the alleged victim is a child, with 23% of reported rapes resulting in criminal action. However, there were significant regional variations, possibly reflecting different approaches by police and prosecutors, the report said.

In Humberside, for example, 35% of child rape cases led to criminal proceedings for rape; in Nottinghamshire the figure for adults was 6%.

Since the Jimmy Savile affair, in October 2012, the number of rapes recorded by police has gone up substantially, BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said.

But that has not been matched by the number of cases which result in a charge of rape, he said. For the first time, the report incorporates data on how many reported rapes are transferred to other forces to be investigated, or cancelled as they were recorded as rape "in error", as police subsequently determined that a crime did not take place.

Previously, these cases would have fallen into a category formerly known as "no crimes". The Gwent Police force had the highest number of adult rape cases "transferred or cancelled" at 13%, whereas Warwickshire had none.

Wendy Williams, chair of the Rape Monitoring Group, said the figures should be treated with some caution as they incorporated data collected in different ways - but overall they offered the most up-to-date picture of how rape cases are handled by the justice system.

"This data provides a starting point to allow people - from the public to police and crime commissioners - to scrutinise how rape is dealt with in their area, and ask important questions of the local criminal justice services.

'Common offence'

Campaigners welcomed the HMIC's decision to make the data available for public scrutiny. Sarah Green, from the End Violence Against Women coalition, said: "If we are to increase justice for rape we need to know what is happening in terms of reporting to the police and prosecutions all over the country. "The figures confirm what we know - rape is a very common offence."

Katie Russell, national spokeswoman for Rape Crisis England & Wales said rape was still hugely under-reported in comparison to other crimes.

"Survivors often live alone with their experiences for years before disclosing what's happened to them," she said. "Today's figures might also suggest a steady improvement in the way police record sexual offences, which we of course welcome."

[–]MalibuStayZ 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

rape was still hugely under-reported in comparison to other crimes.

Which other crimes? I mean I have no problem believing that rape is more under-reported than murder, arson or burglary. But I can't believe that it's more under-reported than battery, theft or threating.

Would also be interesting to know how often rapes can be prosecuted depending on how fast the victim goes to the police. I would assume that if the victims go to the police when they still have hematomes, much more evidences can be conserved than when they wait for two years.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"...recorded as rape "in error", as police subsequently determined that a crime did not take place."

…er, what's that exactly then? The women made an "error" and "mistakenly" reported a rape?

[–]iainmf 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, we don't know how many allegations are false, a genuine complaint that's not rape, a genuine complaint with with insufficient evidence, or a genuine rape.

[–]Spikemaw 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The really horrible thing about rape is that it's so hard to prove, barring extreme physical abuse or witnesses. It's so often a matter of two conflicting stories, either of which could have happened, neither of which can be proved.

I wouldn't doubt that some percentage are completely fictitious, but some percentage are certainly true, but unfortunately unprovable.

[–]DevilishRogue 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The really horrible thing about rape is that it's so hard to prove, barring extreme physical abuse or witnesses.

Bullshit. There are numerous examples of convictions based on nothing more than he said/she said (and fortunately many wrongly imprisoned men have been later released because of DNA evidence) but even today the "why would women lie?" mentality results in innocent men going to prison.

[–]Spikemaw 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, there are many innocent men that are sent to prison on basically no evidence. The justice system is very broken.

I'm just saying that the nature of rape means that there will inevitably be actual rape cases that go un-prosecuted because the justice system in those cases is unable to gather sufficient evidence to build a viable case, and unwilling to railroad an innocent man. It does happen some, so stating (in the title of the OP) that fully 94% of claims are complete bullshit is unrealistic. I personally would never venture to guess what the percentage is, since it is obviously impossible to get a real handle on the statistics without being omniscient.

I think minimizing either issue would be a mistake, given that when the justice system works as it should, some rape victims will go without justice, while when the justice system works improperly, some innocent people (especially men) will go to prison.

[–]dungone -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Whether or not rape is "horrible" is beside the point. Alien adductions and Bigfoot are also notoriously difficult to prove. It doesn't mean we should lower our evidentiary standards because we sympathize with the accuser.

[–]Spikemaw 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't suggest we should lower our standards for evidence. I would strongly argue against doing that: for example, I think the current state of university tribunals make them little better than primitive tribal courts. I was just saying that the percentage of bullshit claims are basically unknown, due to the nature of the crime in question.

[–]Bovaloe 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Soggy knees?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

a play on the term misogyny. Mi sogy ny- My soggy knees.

[–]chafedinksmut 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fear of prosecution that fails, making you look bad, or a counter suit.

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