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Women's Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's

leopoldmedley

November 2, 2015
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http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/08/governments-cancer-funding-gender-gap.html
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Title Women's Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's
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leopoldmedley

Upvotes 288
Comments 30
Date November 2, 2015 2:40 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3r5uhd/womens_cancers_receive_15_times_more_funding_than/
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[–]pnw_diver 29 points30 points31 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. I think, based on this article, that health care spending is probably in general more devoted to women than men.

If we are to have a health care system that is about cost reduction mainly, not helping everyone have the best life possible, then we men should have parity with women, not be cast aside yet again.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men are more likely to get cancer and have higher mortality rates when they do.

[+]WaitingToBeBanned -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To be fair though, that has more to do with men smoking a lot more and lung cancer being far more lethal/fatal than breast cancer or ovarian cancer.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even for the same type of cancer men have higher mortality rates.

In some cases men's mortality rate is higher than the women's incidence rate.

[–]pintocat 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is. My local hospital has a lot of woman-orientation... there's an event literally called "For Women Only", and tons of other outreach and clinic stuff advertised and meant for women. Focus all efforts on the gender that already lives longer, because they're valuable and the other gender is not.

[–]geniice 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If we are to have a health care system that is about cost reduction mainly, not helping everyone have the best life possible, then we men should have parity with women, not be cast aside yet again.

The scotish NHS was working on the problem a few years back. the problem they hit was that unless you go around kidknapping men it is really hard to get scotish men to have much contact with medical services before it is too late.

[–]GrandmasterSexay 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I have a feeling this can easily be attributed to "fashionable" breast cancer. Businesses like Susan G. Komen pretending they're legitimate charities and the like.

[–]Murky42 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Even without accounting for that its simply far easier to make provocative imagery saying "donate for breasts!" then it is for prostate cancer.

Prostate cancer just simply cannot be sold in a sexy fashion.

[–]GrandmasterSexay 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Prostate cancer doesn't have a pretty pink ribbon.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It could have a far more spunky white ribbon.

[–]geniice 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It has a moustache (Movember and all that).

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What if we sold penile cancer? (is that a thing?) I hear dicks are pretty popular with the ladies.

[–]Murky42 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tits are almost pretty much universally loved. Girls like em and men like em.

Dicks are only attractive to approximately 50% of the population.

Then you need to deal with obscenity laws. You can make a banner with scantily clad women that only hide the nipples and then present it in public. If you put up pictures in public with a penis with only the very tip being out of sight it would be considered obscene and taken down.

Most important of all though I think that pictures of exclusively dicks are seen as less desirable in general in comparison to tits. I don't know if science has confirmed that fact however from what I hear the girls of gone wild are less then happy about dick pics.

[–]Cerenex 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My integrity compels me to share this study, that would seem to indicate over-funding for several types of cancer's, notably prostate and breast cancer.

I'm not saying the disproportionate funding is excused or handwaved by this. But I thought it might be of some comfort to some men to know that the funding for prostate cancer, according to the study's findings, is adequate for what is currently required.

[–]Alkomb[🍰] 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Who pays for the funding? Us. I think we should choose where we want it to go.
But, nah. Let's all give into the feminists demands, or else they'll all be even more "oppressed". Feminists are about "Equality"?
Yeah, only when it's good for them. (Said everyone who's not a feminist, ever.)

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why would they give a shit where their funding is extracted from?

[–]Alkomb[🍰] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm tired. Not sure, sorry.

[–]Bl_rp 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. However, the funding of british NCRI tells a different story. See this article and this table. If we consider years of life lost (YLL) as the most important indicator of harm, and we divide it by the amount of funding, and we divide this number for breast cancer by the corresponding number for prostate cancer, we get 1.31, so breast cancer should have 31% higher funding than it has. However, both of those cancer types receive a ridiculous amount of spending compared to e.g. lung cancer. Also, the article was published in 2005 so the stats are at least that old.

Using the grants by the American Cancer Society and the same YLL stats as above, the ratio is instead 0.94, so prostate cancer should have ~6% funding than it has. These stats are from 2015.

For the numbers quoted in the article, the ratio for NIH would be 0.19, and 0.17 for Center for Disease Control and Prevention Cancer Programs. NIH has by far the largest budget of the organizations considered here so it's still a shitty situation for men overall, but apparently there are exceptions.

[–]feefmeharder 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

After my very brief research on Google, it looks like women's cancer (ovarian and breast) kill around 70,000 women a year, and men's cancer (prostate and testicular) kills around 25,000 a year. The fact that women's cancer receives 15 times the funding of men's cancer is outrageous, but the fact that they receive more makes sense to me.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Men can get breast cancer, although less often it does happen

[–]feefmeharder 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

For every 1 man who dies of breast cancer 100 women die (cancer.org).

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did I not just this? I said it didn't happen as often

[–]feefmeharder 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't arguing, just quantifying.

[–]sjwking 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes there is an issue for certain but bear in mind the age when cancer strikes. Breast cancer strikes much sooner than prostate cancer. And this is important. As a society we want to prioritize the health of younger people compared to older people.

And do not forget guys. Check your PSA

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both true, not to mention that there is not much to be done about most cases of prostate cancer. Someone developing cancer at 65, which will likely take 15-20 years to kill them, is not really an issue.

[–]gsettle 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

PSA has been proven to be very questionable. A large study done a few years ago proved PSA to be inconclusive. If I could cite the study I would.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From comments:

Your methodology is a bit flawed. The NIH data source you used has states:

"The research categories are not mutually exclusive. Individual research projects can be included in multiple categories so amounts depicted within each column of this table do not add up to 100 percent of NIH-funded research. "

The clearest evidence of this is that summing the categories leads to a figure of over $120 billion, when the actual NIH budget is around $30 billion.

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Once again, women are valuable and men are disposable. Unfortunately, I don't think it'll ever change.

[–]Herelam 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I once heard this one dumb feminist that I had issues with state that men get more funding for their health problems than women do. She also stated that men should pay the full tab on a date and was upset that her husband made more than her in the comic book field (despite the fact that she wasn't as experienced given that her husband has 10 years more experience than her).

[–]Sanguifer -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From the article, last paragraph:

"Even adjusting for the greater rate of new cancer cases affecting women (1:32 to 1), and the fact that female cancers are deadlier than male cancers by a ratio of about 2:35 to 1, there still seems to be a significant gender gap in favor of women for federal spending on cancer research and prevention."

Also from the article: "they [NHL] will spend $4,446,000,000 in 2009 for female-specific cancers (breast cancer, cervical cancer, ovarian cancer, and “women’s health”) and $299,000,000 for men’s cancer (prostate cancer), which is a ratio of almost 15:1 in favor of women."

Okay, let's adjust. Warning, terrible, unprecise math ahead!

So, male-specific things: prostrate cancer. Female-specific things: 3 different cancers and "women's health", whatever that is. Still, that's 4:1, so they spend 15 times as much on 4 times as many things, that leaves us with a ratio of 3,75:1 already. Now count in the fact that the female-specific cancers are more than twice as deadly AND occur 30% more often - and suddenly, the gap shrinks to about 1,25:1.

Tell me more about that unfair spending gap =/

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