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Tatler: Brooklyn Beckham turns 16 — so now he's "Hot. Ready. Legal.", "alluring", "If you can't date him, get your daughter to date him". Imagine if it was a 16 year old girl they were writing about.

Consilio_et_Animis

October 28, 2015
199 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.tatler.com/news/articles/october-2015/the-posh-girls-pin-up-brooklyn-beckham
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Title Tatler: Brooklyn Beckham turns 16 — so now he's "Hot. Ready. Legal.", "alluring", "If you can't date him, get your daughter to date him". Imagine if it was a 16 year old girl they were writing about.
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Consilio_et_Animis

Upvotes 199
Comments 42
Date October 28, 2015 6:18 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3qlch3/tatler_brooklyn_beckham_turns_16_so_now_hes_hot/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/tatler-brooklyn-beckham-turns-16-so-now-hes-hot.968431
https://theredarchive.com/post/968431
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[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Telegraph cover the story here — and they get it right.

https://archive.is/dmOu6

[–]bakedpotato486 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why archive the sane response, but provide the original tripe with clicks?

[–]double-happiness 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here you go:- https://archive.is/bcGjo (I didn't even have to archive it; I just searched, and someone else had already done it).

[–]rg57 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No they don't. It's the same traditionalist/feminist hysteria. And you can see from the words of the article itself that the reason the author is taking this position is so that she can continue to shame "creepy" men without appearing to be the hypocrite that she is.

[–]mwobuddy -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I love the witch hunting of women who find a sexually attractive and legal guy desirable.

You're all turning into the same shit you bemoan from feminists. You've all actually been brainwashed by femculture to believe that it's predatory, as in some stalking abusive malignant thing. You've sided with the feminists on this when you don't even know it, by decrying the hypocrisy. The hypocrisy must be challenged, yes, but it should be challenged from the point of view of saying that it is only men's sexuality that is inherently dangerous and undesirable to women of all legal ages, and that none of it is inherently dangerous and undesirable.

The message must change from saying that it is wrong and sick to saying that people should decide their own sexual destiny, and that people should be allowed to pick and choose their sexual desires, whether they are mistakes or not.

People crying out "foul" to this kind of thing are exactly what our culture doesn't need. By doing so, you create more gravity in sex. Sex becomes a much more frightening and dangerous thing precisely because people put it on a pedestal.

Let me appeal to nature for a bit. Is all sexual desire predatory? The desire for most men and women is to mate with any capable partner of good genes. He displays good genes. He's been shooting non-blanks for years. He's now legally capable, and you're all calling these women the worst thing in the world because you want to be JUST LIKE FEMINISTS.

Sexual attraction and desire is normal, yet instead of making it no big deal and a thing all people go through, you attempt to demonize anything that strays from the cultural repression narrative. Anything which doesn't conform to your draconian social rules is aberrant, even if it comes through from natural processes in our own body.

You cast stones at these people for their honesty and candor. Shame on you.

Years ago, when Charlotte Church turned 16, creepy DJ Chris Moyles said on BBC radio that he “wanted to lead her through the forest of her sexuality.”

You're all leading the same direction. This direction was started by feminists. Automatically calling someone creepy for sexual desire for a legal individual?

Why don't we raise the age of consent to 21 then, to satisfy the prudes? Why don't we raise it to 24? Then someone will remark on how to "lead her through the forest.." and everyone will think that 30 year old guy is a TOTAL CREEP because he's leering after someone 'WHO JUST TURNED LEGAL AND IS TOTALLY STILL A CHILD BECAUSE THE AGE OF CONSENT TELLS US WHEN SOMEONE IS AND ISNT READY FOR SEX, AND THAT'S PREDATING ON SOMEONE WHO JUST BARELY CAME OUT OF BEING NOT READY'. The lunatic asylum is bursting just about now.

[–]LordofthePit666 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its not so much about the calling him hot as it is the double standard, like the title says, if that were a 16 year old girl there would be outrage.

[–]Damazein 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you imagine if this was written about a 16yr old girl?

There would be people screaming for the writers head, the writer would be labeled a pedo, demand they be fired, how it would be a "further example of how women are seen throughout the world as sex objects and part of rape culture" and shamed everywhere, yet because it's written about a 16yr old boy, everything is supposedly ok.

[–]rg57 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everything IS OK. People are sexual. To reduce this down to "objects" is to insult humanity.

[–]Lethn 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If it makes you feel any better, the comments page is brilliant, they're all calling this person out on their shit.

[–]mwobuddy -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And fuck those people.

[–]aokusman 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If this was a girl, there would have been the regular twitter outrage linking it to rape culture.

[–]xynomaster 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is precisely the problem. So many boys get abused by sick women like this because they legitimately think that what they're doing is just a bit of fun and not predatory at all. Because that's what society tells them.

Yet a man who writes these things about a teenage girl would have been called a pig and fired (and rightfully so). Women should be forced to adhere to the same boundaries. There's no reason for middle-aged perverts to be fantasizing about teenagers so...publicly like this. It gives the illusion that it's acceptable, which it certainly is not.

[–]mwobuddy -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe its not predatory. Maybe it can be just a bit of fun. Maybe the demonizing of males who've done this has twisted our world views.

[–]muchachomalo 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Actaully similar things were done with Selana gomez and Lindsay Lohan. Remember how everybody was waiting for them to turn 18. If the Legal age in the UK is 16 then this is actually a step up.

[–]Vermouth1991 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Daniel Radcliffe lost his virginity at age 16 (it's legal age, since he's British) to a woman in her early-30s. Now imagine the outrage if the genders were flipped and the hypothetical tabloid news was that a Harry Potter actress had lost her virginity shortly after turning 16 to a guy in his 30s.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Truly disgusting people, all those who work for tabloids and such forms of media. Just be selling to someone tho... dirty old bags.

[–]rg57 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's no problem with this, regardless of gender.

To the extent there's a problem, we should be opposing those who would shame "creepy" men and boys for admiring females of that same age.

[–]double-happiness 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That kid is pretty average-looking; it just goes to show how much men's fame and wealth are valued over other aspects.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's illegal for women to rape underage boys now?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He looks like a douch bag.

[–]mwobuddy -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

When we celebrate a child becoming ‘legal’, we’re implying (however jokily) that the only thing preventing us from having sex with them before was the fear of getting arrested.

Which has been status quo for generations. Trying to raise the age of consent has made many more "sex offender' criminals, precisely because it's normal.

I have a 27 year old friend who had a highly sexual relationship with a 19 year old. He's just one year away from being able to legally consent around here, but she should be locked up as a sex predator because she got involved with someone so young, right?

[–]Vermouth1991 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I believe you meant [17m] and [19f] here, but I still understand your point; I think legally speaking the girl in question is comitting statutory rape, like it or not :( However I think in America it also stands that no one is really in trouble until they're sued? So I guess technically no one is in trouble until something happens that makes the [17m] want to accuse her of rape.

Something that I as an outsider to North America and Europe would really wanted to know: what about relationships that started when both parties were underage, but one of them is older so that he or she goes above Age Of Consent several years before the other one does? I guess the law can really get murky there.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I believe you meant [17m] and [19f] here

No. I meant 27/f and 19m. I said what I meant. He's one year away from the consent line, but he's still in his teens.

[–]Vermouth1991 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, my bad! I had previously thought that age of sexual consent can't be above 19 years old. -_-#

I guess most of my previous points still stand, though. The over-20-yr-old is technically statutory-raping the under-20-yr-old, but as long as he never sues her for then rape we're in a sorta "Don't ask, won't care" territory here.

Also, could you please consider the question I'd raised at the end of my previous comment in this sub-thread? Thanks.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How is that technically true? The age of consent is 18, so he's legal, but hes just barely legal, and she was fucking him. Technically, it was legal, but she was 27.

Many places have close-age exemptions, so that people who are 17 and 19 aren't in an illegal fucking relationship. Thus, an underage with another underage wouldn't become illegal if one become of legal age before the other. Some places still will try to prosecute, however, if one of them is said to be trying to "groom the other" such as the recent tinder incident. If the ages are close enough, it can be legally allowed, although that's still up to individual judges.

[–]Vermouth1991 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, I'd previously thought from our conversation that in where you live, the age of consent was 20 years old. -_-# If the AoC is 18 than 19 yrs old isn't that "barely" legal, at least to me.

And thank you for your response on that other question.

[–]mwobuddy -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

If the ignorant fucks in this sub or in the comments of either article have a problem with the age of consent, then RAISE IT. The age of consent is there to signify that its okay to have sex at that age with anyone of any age older than the age of consent. 16 vs 100, 20 vs 40, etc.

If you view that as wrong, then you need to make the age of consent also relate to "no more than 5 years difference" clause or raise the hard limit, to satisfy all you moral panic twits.

[–]Vermouth1991 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the major problem they (and by "they" I mean most of the commenters on this Reddit post) see here isn't that heterosexual women are going "Oh he's 16 now we can legally f@&k him" per se, it's the frustratingly disgusting double standard where if a (legal) girl or woman gets so much as looked at funny then it's Rape Culture(tm). God help us if it were, say, Emma Watson turning 16 and the media goes, "Oh look, the actress who plays Hermione is finally old enough to be legally more than just fantasy insipration" or something like that.

I mean, for crying out loud, Daniel Radcliffe lost his virginity at age 16 to a woman in her early-30s. Sensational tabloid coverage or no, as far as we know it was all legal and consensual, and thus it was no one's business but theirs; but could you imagine if the genders were switched?

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If that's all it is, the anger over the double standard, then I agree 100%. However I often see people describe it as gross and wrong around here, when talking about the sexual relationship, not the double standard.

[+]Kingpink2 -17 points-16 points-15 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

So? Girls and boys are not the same therefore its not really a double standard. Its the feminists who believe that narrative, not me.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Girls and boys are not the same

Great. So you're OK with me popping round to give your 16 year old daughter a quick shag are you?

[+]Kingpink2 -14 points-13 points-12 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I wouldnt be okay with it but seen as its the age of consent here I cant do anything legally here as long as she gives consent. You could be on the hook for other things though like making hard alcohol avaiable.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

I wouldnt be okay with it

Why not? You're daughter's old enough and legal enough to make her own decisions. Plus it's none of your business what she does once she reaches the legal age of consent.

You could be on the hook for other things though like making hard alcohol available.

What makes you think your daughter needs to get drunk to have sex? She most likely has her own strong sexual desires, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[+]Kingpink2 -18 points-17 points-16 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Doesnt mean I would want her to fuck any guy. A nigger for example. I would not be okay with her flushing her genetic heritage down the toilet.

[–]Waheg 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On second thoughts maybe it's better no one fucks your daughter...you are coming across as a bit of an evolutionary dead end. This isn't the forum for this backwards bullshit. Why don't you fuck off.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[+]Kingpink2 -8 points-7 points-6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Everybody is a liberal till its their own daughter getting it on with Tyrone. Until its your own daughter carrying a black mans child you cant know for sure how you feel about it.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Tyrone is a lovely guy. I've known him for years. Top chap.

[–]Thats_absrd -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He really got it together

[–]Plain_Bread 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Son, this is bait.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

your intellect suits /r/politics, I hope I found your new favorite sub :D

[–]chocoboat 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Blacks and whites and Asians and Hispanics aren't all 100% identical to each other, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't all live under the same laws.

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