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Women complain a great deal about the toilet seat being left up after use. With so many toilets being gender neutral: Should men put the toilet seat down when they're finished?

TR6Cool

October 11, 2015
12 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11880499/Should-men-put-the-toilet-seat-down-when-theyre-finished.html
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Title Women complain a great deal about the toilet seat being left up after use. With so many toilets being gender neutral: Should men put the toilet seat down when they're finished?
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TR6Cool

Upvotes 12
Comments 56
Date October 11, 2015 12:15 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3obo4j/women_complain_a_great_deal_about_the_toilet_seat/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How about we ban men from using all toilets and only allow the bastards to use a bucket down in the basement?

Für die gleichstellung!

/s

[–]TheRavenousRabbit 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'll put down the seat when women lift up the seat. I've got as little desire to touch that nasty ass lid as you do, I'm sorry. Equality sucks when it comes with responsibility in equal regard.

Women, want me to put down the seat? Yeah, you gotta lift it when you're done. Have fun!

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[–]EmpathyOverSympathy 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no default position—it's a fucking toilet, and the seat being up or down depends solely on whether or not there's a guy in front of it who wants to do #1 standing up. All other uses involve the toilet seat being down. There is no potty situation in which a woman needs the seat up, that's why they want the "default" position to be down, and to be honest, it's not such a bad argument.

That being said, I stand by my first point: it's a fucking toilet! I find this issue much like that A/C hooplah—trivial crap that people ought to be able to work out for themselves without fighting about it. I have never had an extended fight about this with any woman, and on the rare occasion when a woman has asked me to leave the toilet seat down, I have simply refused, asking her how she would feel if I asked her to leave the toilet seat up. It never resulted in any relationship-ending fights, extended fights, lost roommates, etc. This is a trivial issue that does not deserve the weight some people seem to give it, and those that do deserve to have it wreak havoc in their lives.

[–]FubbaYouCubba 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I always thought, I put the seat up, you put it down, we both do our fair share of work.

[–]CMOS222 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Simple tech solution. Spring-mounted toilet seats. Seat stays in the up position, pull it down when you want or need to sit. Your ass keeps the seat down, until you stand up. The spring slowly returns the seat to the upright position.

[–]BullyJack 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see colleges having shitapaults less than 20 minutes after the install.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I spend (too long) formulating a 'one-touch' rule. In short: everyone agrees to touch the seat once during their lavatory trip. Men put it up at the start, women put it down. What could represent a more equal compromise, I humbly ask?

How about what I call the "be a goddamn adult" rule? Nobody pisses on the seat, guys put it up, ladies sit your ass down on it and don't "hover". And then everyone puts the seat in the position they need it to be in before use.

How fucking difficult is this?

I recently used the lavatory on an airplane after a petite asian woman came out...and found the seat sprayed with so much urine that i'm not even convinced she bent her knees. So let's not pretend this is a "men pee on the seat" issue, every woman knows that's not true.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And then you get the ones who wrap the toilet seat with toilet paper, and then leave it there. Just gross.

[–]Lethn 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Something annoys me and because I'm a woman and a feminist it must be BANNED! And people who ignore my directive will be thrown in jail for life!

If I reacted to shit the same way these feminists did there would be mass graves dotted throughout the world.

[–]Rizlaaa 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

i hate this. this is just such a non issue. if i go in to the bathroom and i need to put the seat up or down, i do, i do my business and wash my hands afterwards. its that fucking simple.

[–]Dazz316 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If this is even close to bring one of the top issues then were are all fine and can end the debates. Well done society we won.

[–]oldrunnerguy 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When woman argue to prove their point on the toilet seat conundrum,they will say it is a health issue. When discussing the fact that they are overweight, for some reason it is never a health issue. This is what I call female logic.

[–]Dazz316 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My wife said it once sand was mainly joking. I said why, she said she might fall in in the middle of the night. I said I would fund it fucking hilarious and its never going down again. She gave me "that look" that says I'm trying to be mad but I can see how it would be funny.

[–]BigJ76 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Since Women want equality they can put the seat down just like I might have to lift it up. Equality isn't fun when you have to do work, huh?

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had this argument with my girlfriend once. She said I should put it down because she might fall in. I told her men shit all the time and need it down as well sometimes. Somehow we never fall in... If you want to live with a man, you're going to need to make some adjustments as well.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The feminists shouldn't have banned the urinals and made unisex toilets.

They weep what they sowed.

[–]whatsazipper 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Eventually you realize women will complain about anything. The solution is not to take them seriously.

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[–]whatsazipper 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Making their issues into law is, effectively, taking them seriously.

Dear god. Manspreading. I swear to god these people talk about this shit with a straight face, in real life, and it's astounding. It's a sign that someone really has no troubles in life that they have to invent something to be outraged about.

I visited a friend not that long ago, and one of the first topics his wife was railing about was 'manspreading' and how pervasive it is. Poor guy. She's fucking nuts.

[–]Snizzledizzlemcfizzl 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

That is incredibly sexist

[–]whatsazipper -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

I didn't create the world.

[–]Snizzledizzlemcfizzl 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Does that mean something?

[–]whatsazipper -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

The statement may be considered sexist but it is accurate to observation. Is reality sexist? It seems that, in some instances, it must be; but, I did not create this world, so I am not culpable for the negative reception of the statement.

[–]EmpathyOverSympathy 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Except that it's not accurate, which makes it a bigoted generalization—and you do deserve to be called out on that.

[–]whatsazipper -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's a useful generalization that saves a lot of oxygen. Obviously you need to know when to accurately apply it - when women complain about irrelevant BS. Instead of entertaining the nonsense, dismiss it.

Alternatively, you can "call" me out on it, which doesn't really do anything. The initial 'bigoted' comment remains well received, and then we get to have a nice chat. Really, I'm glad we're all managing to have a nice, lively time together.

[–]EmpathyOverSympathy 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's a useful generalization that saves a lot of oxygen.

No, it's not—it's just sexist.

Obviously you need to know when to accurately apply it

Yes—it may be accurate to specific women, but not to women in general. That's what makes it a sexist generalization.

Alternatively, you can "call" me out on it, which doesn't really do anything.

Yes it does; it lets the rest of the community know there are others here who don't support your fucked-up views and are willing to speak up about it. Those people deserve to know they're not alone.

The initial 'bigoted' comment remains well received

I hardly think a 5-point karma score is evidence it was "well received," and that's an irrelevant point anyway—particularly on this sub, where you're likely to run into guys who are just angry at women and will upvote misogynistic comments like yours. The fact of the matter is that you made a generalized statement about an entire gender, based on the behavior of only some members of that gender—that is pretty much the very definition of sexism. Popular opinion has nothing to do with it.

[–]whatsazipper -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes it does; it lets the rest of the community know there are others here who don't support your fucked-up views and are willing to speak up about it. Those people deserve to know they're not alone.

I hope they pay you well for it, because it'll consume a lot of your time.

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[–]Snizzledizzlemcfizzl 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

But you do deserve blame for that statement. You didn't create the world, no one did. What you said is the exact definition of sexism, and you cannot deny that. It's people like you that make me not want to identify as a Men's Rights Activist.

[–]whatsazipper -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

If it's people like me that deter you from Men's Rights, then you need thicker skin. What I said remains useful and accurate. If you cry about it, it hurts you, but none else.

[–]Snizzledizzlemcfizzl 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Men's Rights is about noticing and doing something about the inequalities between men and women, and working towards equality.

[–]whatsazipper -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I agree. That's why I'm here.

[–]Snizzledizzlemcfizzl 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

You're not pushing for equality. You said yourself we shouldn't listen to women

[–]DevilishRogue 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

How hard is it to close the lid? Not only is it more hygienic when you flush but it prevents the arguments in the first place.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, lid down should be the default / neutral position. Also, people who have pets should really make sure to leave the lid down.

[–]Funcuz 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's as difficult to put it down as it is to put it up. For some reason, men always remember to put it up. Why can't women who complain about it remember to put it down ?

[–]kizzan 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you. But eating bad food is also not so good. In fact, that reduces the quality of life and kills more people than keeping the toilet seat up. So if we are gonna require the toilet seat up by that logic, then we should go big brother on what ppl can eat.

[–]Neo_Techni -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed

[–]aesopstortoise 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Few people realize, however, that when a used toilet is flushed, a turbulence and spray of water and excrement is generated comparable to a sneeze: in any toilet one can isolate faecal clostridia and streptococci from the ceiling, walls and door handle as well as around and beneath the seat. British water closets certainly generate such infectious aerosols; it is probable that the vortex type favoured in the USA, depending on a swirl rather than a splash to flush the closet, is less generous in the matter of dispersing faecal microbes around the room."

From Microbes and Man by John Postgate, Third Edition, Cambridge University Press 1992, pages 70-71.

[–]double-happiness 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Related: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/352108

[–]garglemesh42 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You want it down? Put it down yourself. Not my job. It smacks of female entitlement. What, women are too fragile to even move the toilet seat now? If they're too lazy to look before they sit, they deserve what they get.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The default position of a toilet seat should always be up.

After using the toilet seat, you clean it, removing any puss and shit off of it, and then lift the seat up, so that the next person who uses it knows that they have a clean seat to sit on.

Only lazy people who can't be bothered cleaning up after themselves leave the seat down.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My toilet seat is spring loaded to go up when you're not sitting on it. My house. My toilet. My rules.

[–]azazelcrowley 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Are you serious? You need a mans help to operate the toilet? Well ok. I'll be sure to go ahead of you into public restrooms to check the seats are down since this is apparently beyond your ability to solve. No no, don't bother trying to toilet training the children. We both know that would be a waste of time, i'll do it."

Etc, etc.

Men should point out to women how ridiculous the request is.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just leave the thing down.. Fuck it.

[–]Wargame4life -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

men require the toilet seat to be both down and up, women just down, hence it makes sense for the default position to be down (more efficient)

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Personally, and mostly out of habit, I close the seat and lid.

[–]MenandBoysareGood -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's funny because it takes more energy to raise a toilet seat than it is to lower it. Although this topic has been used by sitcoms as a source of comic male bashing it is directly related to chivalry, gynocentricism and male disposability.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Just leave the seat down. Math ain't on your side.

Man pees, he needs it up Man shits, be needs it down Woman pees, she needs it down Woman shits, she needs it down.

Three of the four times your toilet gets used, the seat needs to be down. This is a non issue

[–]MisterDamage 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say math is on the other side. By your reckoning, either you leave the seat down all the time (yuk) or the seat would have to be operated vastly more often than would otherwise be necessary: twice per male urination. By contrast, every time the toilet is used for urination by a male consecutively, at least one seat operation is saved.

If it's a non issue, only operate the seat when necessary.

[–]cottonthread 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say the average person urinates much more frequently than they shit though. So the percentage of time the lid needs to be down is maybe 55-60% as opposed to 75

[–]veiphiel 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The energy required to put it down is minimum. The energy to raise something is more

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

...If you're honestly the kind of person who doesn't want to put a toilet seat down because of energy concerns, I don't know what to tell you.

[–]veiphiel 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not only energy but time you have to touch it

[–]CharlieQuinn1979 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends on how many people are in the house - more boys, leave it up, more girls, leave it down. Also, who owns the place or is the leaseholder. They get the decisive vote if it's a tie. I've lived in shitloads of places and no one has ever objected to this.

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