Television show Loose Women may face investigation after vote asking ‘Is it ever a woman’s fault if she is raped?’

soulless_ging · 2015-09-09T13:31:31+00:00

Information gathering is now wrong? Is pushing the narrative so very important to these psychopaths that even knowing that people disagree causes them "harm'?

raxical · 2015-09-09T20:13:18+00:00

Is it ever the woman's fault?

No it's not her fault that a crime was committed against her just like it's not someone's fault for being burglarized or assaulted.

Does she share part of the blame, bear some responsibility or carry out unwise actions which put her at a higher likelihood of being raped?

Possibly. It would depend on the situation just like if you locked all your doors and set your alarm but were still burglarized while at work, you bear no responsibility for what happened, whereas if you left your doors unlocked and made it obvious you were gone on vacation, you should take some responsibility for what happened.

It depends.

192873982 · 2015-09-09T17:58:23+00:00

There are multiple ways where it could be the womens fault.

The woman wanted to live out some rape fantasies but couldn't say stop, because she did not declare a safe word for him to stop, and he thought it was part of the game. This is also his fault, he didn't declare a safe word either, but he is not more guilty.
More generally if there is no way for the man to tell that she is not consenting, but she did have a way to do it, she's responsible, e.g. if she's too shy to say anything.
The woman covertly gives the man a drug that makes him lose control.

These cases are not that likely, the possibility is much higher that it's not her fault at all, but she did encourage it. (compare: if you go to syria now and you get killed, it's not your fault, but you did encourage it)

This encouragement cannot be avoided, and in fact should not be fully avoided. We all have to take some risks, to make a nice life possible, otherwise leaving the house would be wrong, because you might get killed in a car accident.

But some high risks should be avoided, so we need to discuss what a responsible person should be able to to, and how we can ensure it.

An example for a high risk would be meeting a known convicted sex offender that you met online alone at home.

soulless_ging · 2015-09-09T14:45:05+00:00

What does this have to do with this sub?

BruceCampbell123 · 2015-09-09T22:52:39+00:00

I remember when having a different opinion wasn't a crime.

2015-09-10T05:12:35+00:00

74 complaints... that's not very many. Granted I've never heard of this show, so it may be a lot up against it's viewership.

And since when is asking a question, even if it's one you may not like ONE answer to a bad thing to be offended by? Most people voted "no". Where's the rejoicing that most people said no to an "offensive question"?

Ofcom is likely to consider the poll under section 2 of the broadcasting code covering harm and offence. Section 2.4 of the code says: “Programmes must not include material (whether in individual programmes or in programmes taken together) which, taking into account the context, condones or glamorises violent, dangerous or seriously antisocial behaviour and is likely to encourage others to copy such behaviour.”

I fail to see how the question qualifies.

“Instead, they’ve reinforced myths and stereotypes with this ill-considered, insensitive and insulting poll.”

What a stupid cunt. How does a question reinforce anything? Especially when the response is overwhelming "No, it's never women's fault if she is raped".

I'd be curious to know the actual intent of the poll, because people tend to have a hard time wording things when rape is concerned.

I could easily see the intent being that they wanted to know if people thought women were responsible for themselves and the events leading up to their rape.

If a woman decides to stay at a party with strangers she just met, instead of leaving with her friends. If she decides to continue to drink even though she can barely speak... these things she is responsible for. And she puts herself at risk. If she is then raped, she isn't responsible for the rape itself, but she needs to take ownership of her mistakes and the fact that those mistakes lead to the moment where she was vulnerable enough to be raped. And had she made other choices, she would have avoided it. [in my hypothetical, not every rape situation can be avoided of course]

We are responsible for our own well being and we all have the agency to take actions to lessen the risks. Some things we can't fully control, but we can at least try to be safe and smart.

We lock our doors, which is sometimes enough to prevent a theft. Sometimes it isn't, but it's better than not locking our doors at all.

We have a duty to ourselves to learn from traumatic experiences.

Title	Television show Loose Women may face investigation after vote asking ‘Is it ever a woman’s fault if she is raped?’
Author	ukreview
Upvotes	41
Comments	72
Date	September 9, 2015 1:27 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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