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Is Mattress Girl Editing Her Sex Tape To Dodge A Lawsuit?

ZimbaZumba

June 9, 2015
123 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/08/is-mattress-girl-editing-her-sex-tape-to-dodge-a-lawsuit/
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Title Is Mattress Girl Editing Her Sex Tape To Dodge A Lawsuit?
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ZimbaZumba

Upvotes 123
Comments 45
Date June 9, 2015 3:28 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3967o7/is_mattress_girl_editing_her_sex_tape_to_dodge_a/
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Comments

[–]tiqr 35 points36 points37 points 11 years ago* (20 children) | Copy Link

I noticed this too. If the video is intended solely to be an art project about consent and control of women's bodies - and not about her alleged rape - then why are the videos time stamped to the date of the alleged incident?

Normally I don't put much stock in "conspiracy theories" like this, I suspect the article is dead right about this one. Given the amount of publicity surrounding Sulkowicz and Nungesser, it would not be unreasonable for a person to conclude that the video is intended to be a re-enactment of the alleged incident. That would make the video libellous.

The video could absolutely be found to harm Nungesser, it's published without his consent, and the "Truth" defence can't be raised because neither the college nor the police were willing to prosecute him. I strongly suspect the changes were made on the recommendation of a lawyer, or are the result of a 'cease and desist".

[–]ZimbaZumba[S] 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

She may have a problem if it is a cease and desist as the old version is still easily found online:- https://vid.me/68ut

[–]tiqr 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

And you raise a really interesting legal question there (gender politics aside). If you publish something that is libellous, then retract it immediately upon request, but then it goes viral and gets spread without any help from the initial publisher, is the original publisher liable for it? If not, what if the publication were deliberately intended to "go viral"?

It's a fun legal question, and probably won't ever come up in this matter. But fun all the same.

[–]alclarkey 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Can you murder someone, feel bad about it and take it back? Same thing. She committed libel, and because the internet took it and ran with it, there is no taking it back. Damage done. Nungesser should sue the shit out of her.

[–]jubbergun 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Nungesser should sue the shit out of her.

I think there's two reasons he hasn't, and won't, do so. One is that the public perception of a suit against her will be used by the usual suspects in the media to further the narrative that he's some sort of abusive misogynist rape machine. The other reason is that suing her wins him nothing but a moral victory, as she's an art major with no prospects who has nothing other than what mommy and daddy gives her...and after this porn video stunt, she may not even have that.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

On the other hand by not doing so he's just encouraging more of the same to happen to other poor guys like him.

[–]Magicman116 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I suspect her parents give her money periodically to live off of. I doubt she has anything the court can award him in a suit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Doing the right thing is usually more troublesome than it's worth.

[–]lordtyp0 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the past I believe the answer has been: Yes. The instigator of the act is responsible.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You can't unscrew the pooch.

Realizing you've done something stupid and trying to fix it doesn't undo the fact that you really did do something stupid.

Sulkowicz just keeps handing lawsuit ammunition to Nungesser. She's made his suit against the school a slam dunk, the only reason she hasn't personally been sued yet is she doesn't have anything to sue for. Unless he's looking to get a dirty mattress and discarded condoms.

[–]Cu_Gorm 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

the only reason she hasn't personally been sued yet is she doesn't have anything to sue for. Unless he's looking to get a dirty mattress and discarded condoms.

I feel genuinely sorry for the school staff: With the way title IX is, it would have been career suicide for anyone to oppose her. Heck, it was pretty brave of them to request her not to bring the matress to graduation.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they showed backbone by not giving in to her demand to expel a student based on her preference that they do so, that was the end of the school showing backbone.

[–]NaturalisticPhallacy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

ELI5 Title IX?

[–]Cu_Gorm 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance.

This started out as meaning that colleges had to give equal funding to male and female sports teams, even given unequal interest and participation.

Then the dept of education (I think) issued the "Dear Colleague" letter which required colleges to investigate and take action in cases of sexual assault of harassment, which turned things into the witch trials we know today.

[–]stop_stalking_me 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sulkowicz just keeps handing lawsuit ammunition to Nungesser

She needs to put the fucking shovel down already.

Actually I take that back. Let her dig her own grave

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She published the libelous version already. She can't unpublish it.

[–]SporkTornado 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

It would not be unreasonable for a person to conclude that the video is intended to be a re-enactment of the alleged incident.

Obviously this video was intended as a reenactment. The room is furnished like a student dorm room. I would not be surprised if Emma Sulkowicz actually furnished this room to look exactly like the dorm room she stayed in when she was at Columbia university Furthermore the scene is filmed from the angle of surveillance system, with timestamps and identification numbers of each camera feed "Camera 1", "Camera 2" etc. and with the time stamps matching the day of her alleged rape.

[+][deleted] 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]SporkTornado 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, I just fixed it.

[–]trpSenator 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I imagine it would still be tough. The courts try very hard to stay away from these things as they can get really messy and out of hand. She's also going to argue that he is a semi public figure surrounding this issue and is practicing her political speech using a well known part of a public discussion to spread her message.

I honestly think this would just get pulled into arbitration where she would be forced to take the video down, possibly release a public apology, and never re approach the subject.

Also keep in mind, just because they never prosecuted her, it doesn't mean it's not technically true. She could very well use that defense, and again, the courts will just say, "we have no way of knowing since this was private. We are going to recommend you both drop this."

[–]KrisK_lvin 20 points21 points22 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From the National Stalking Helpline:

What is stalking?

It is hard to give an exact definition of stalking because stalkers will often use multiple and differing methods to harass their victims. Stalking can [include] making unwanted or malicious communication […] If the behaviour is persistent and clearly unwanted causing you fear, harassment or anxiety then it is stalking and you should not have to live with it.

Can stalking only be done by a stranger?

[…] About 40% of people who contact the Helpline are being stalked by ex-intimates (i.e. ex partners) and a further third have had some sort of prior acquaintance with their victim; you may have dated, married or been a friend with your stalker.

Who can be a victim of stalking?

Anyone can become a victim of stalking.

How long does stalking last?

There is no definite answer to this question […] Dr. [Lorraine] Sheridan also found that the duration of stalking tends to increase as the stalker’s emotional investment in the relationship increases.

Can stalking without violence still be damaging?

Yes. The absence of violence in a stalking case doesn’t mean the victim is unaffected. Stalking can cause severe psychological distress to a victim.

Sulkowicz is quite clearly Crown Princess of Crazyland. This isn't art, it's a disgrace. I cannot believe that she hasn't been arrested for some of this shit.

[–]SCROTAL-SACK 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The date was commented on, on multiple articles after the release.. not to mention the many thousands of viewers who noticed. Is she really stupid enough to believe they'd just... forget? LOL. I hope Nungesser ruins her.

[–]Tedesche 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's it. When I first heard about this whole mattress thing and the flimsy case it was based on, I thought to myself, "I wonder if this girl is just emotionally disturbed," but refrained from leaping to that conclusion. Then, when this sex tape came out, I though, "Okay, no, definitely emotionally disturbed," but in the back of my mind, I still told myself that I didn't know her and shouldn't leap to conclusions. Now she pulls this shit and claims the site went down due to a DDOS attack—three strikes, she's a complete bag'o'cats. Nungesser should absolutely sue the crap out of her, and I hope he takes both her and Columbia to the cleaners.

[–]lordtyp0 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's amazing the degree of fraud people accept, especially from a bedbug..

[–]pentestscribble 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if she picked such a dumpy unattractive costar to use the "small penis rule".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_penis_rule

[–]autowikibot 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Small penis rule:


The "small penis rule" is an informal strategy used by authors to evade libel lawsuits. It was described in a New York Times article in 1998:

"...For a fictional portrait to be actionable, it must be so accurate that a reader of the book would have no problem linking the two," said Mr. Friedman. Thus, he continued, libel lawyers have what is known as 'the small penis rule.' One way authors can protect themselves from libel suits is to say that a character has a small penis, Mr. Friedman said. "Now no male is going to come forward and say, 'That character with a very small penis, that's me!' "


Interesting: Defamation | Roman à clef | False light | Penis

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[–]Cu_Gorm 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently she was put in touch with him via Marina Abramovich.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The internet never forgets. Damage is done. Sue her into oblivion please.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (16 children) | Copy Link

Wait I think I have seen a different video to this. The video I saw was all artsy. It was all black and white with clips of the sea and a knife stabbing a chicken.

EDIT:I was told that this is the video

[–]lurendreieren 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

The video I saw was all artsy. It was all black and white with clips of the sea and a knife stabbing a chicken.

What...?

There is a video of her being actually buttfucked by some dumb mope:

http://i2.wp.com/2.bp.blogspot.com/-T45ztcITn2g/VXFup1DSxvI/AAAAAAAATfY/ALVy7HP1BvY/s1600/Emma_Sulkowicz_Rape_Video.JPG

The whole thing is four split screens like that. It is probably impossible to watch from beginning to end without falling asleep.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck did I watch?

[–]lurendreieren 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Something undoubtedly more interesting and artistically valuable than Emma "Flat Ass" Sulkowicz getting poked in the cornhole by a balding, discount Son of Sam impersonator.

[–]NaturalisticPhallacy 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You have a hilarious writing style and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[–]Cu_Gorm 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Hahaha! I got linked to that too somewhere along the way. Turns out that the only clever part of the piece (the title) isn't even original.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I am glad I'm not the only one. When I first commented on it I couldn't comprehend why everyone was calling it a porno. I said "this is just a shitty art movie ripping of Andy Warhol"

[–]Cu_Gorm 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I remember in college a friend of mine making a similar movie to avoid having to make a proper one. He was out of time, so the night before the due date he mixed together a bunch of random footage with filters and made up some stuff about it being a phantasmagoria.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I hope he got away with it. I think people like that deserve to get away with it, knowing the system so well that they don't have to try.

[–]Cu_Gorm 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh he did. He made another overnight film for another brief and he managed to extend another assignment by handing in a DVD he'd deliberately engineered a glitch into. Eventually he screwed up though: He made a conceptual piece of nonsense which advocated more or less the exact opposite politics to his lecturer.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes the first rule of college: Always pander to your lecturer.

[–]ZimbaZumba[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet one more copy with the date visible.

[–]SporkTornado 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The whole thing is four split screens like that.

It's meant to look like surveillance footage. Typical surveillance monitors will split it up into four cameras per screen, and include timestamps as well as labels for each camera, in this instance she just numbered the cameras "Camera 1", "Camera 2" etc.

[–]Captaincastle 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Except her room is way too small to warrant 4 cameras ha

[–]jubbergun 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The cameras weren't for the room, they were for her ego. I'm surprised they thought four cameras were enough.

[–]SporkTornado 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think she wanted different angles, but she also wanted static fixed shots like a surveillance cam. The 4 screen split is the compromise that allowed her to do that.

[–]MachineMagic2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sulkowicz claims that the site only went down on Friday afternoon due to a distributed denial of service (DDOS) attack, a form of cyberattack where a website is overwhelmed and crashes due to a simulated surge in traffic.

No, that was just the reddit hug of death. There was no "simulation" of a surge in traffic, there was an actual surge in traffic.

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