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The perils of the £30 paternity test - The Telegraph (2011)

eaton80

May 12, 2015
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/mother-tongue/8306269/The-perils-of-the-30-paternity-test.html
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Title The perils of the £30 paternity test - The Telegraph (2011)
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eaton80

Upvotes 35
Comments 21
Date May 12, 2015 3:00 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/35pu15/the_perils_of_the_30_paternity_test_the_telegraph/
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Comments

[–]bertreapot 30 points31 points32 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"it may be harmful to families" is code for it's something women don't want. for obvious reasons. hence, anti-feminist, misogynist, etc., is how the media will spin it. ignoring the fact that a father should have the right to know if he is raising his child or not.

[–]Dus10_ 24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

“I think the problem is that people see parenting as the transmission of some essence of self – that is delusional garbage. Genes are the least important thing of all of it. The relationships are what matter. “If someone asked my advice about buying one of these tests, I would advise them to see a good psychotherapist instead.”

This guy is a dick.

[–]anon_and_on 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that's how you see it ... The logical progression of your position is that you'll be allocated an unwanted child from the state to you. For you to adopt. Your choice does not feature.

Raising so one else's child is fine, noble even, I'd that is what you chose to do. If you do it but are unaware then you have had any element of choice removed.

Choice is the key element here and knowledge allows you to make a choice. It might be the most important thing in the world to me to have offspring genetically mine or it might not but that should be my choice not yours or anyone else's. would you deny everyone that choice?

[–]Gstreetshit 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

genes are the least important thing of all of it

What a complete moron. Carrying on your genes is literally the most important thing to biological life. How does one get so incredibly dumb? I'm fucking amazed.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

genes are the least important thing of all of it

We should tell this to the bitches. How about they stop having their own kids and start adopting other people's kids. After all, it's not like genetics matter! A kid is a kid right? Right ladies?

So much bullshit you could smell it from a mile away lol

[–]rottingchrist 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or just give them any random kid when they leave the maternity ward.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

If the relationships are what matters then paternity tests aren't valid in enforcing child support either.

[–]RedPillAnonymous 23 points24 points25 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Funny no-one blames the lying cheating whore for ruining the family. No, it's the man's fault. He's ruining the family by not wanting to be deceived into raising a child that isn't his. Women's hostility to paternity tests shows how rampant the problem is.

[–]knowless 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A woman not willing to take a paternity test isn't trustworthy enough to marry.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This article is 4 years old. Paternity DNA tests now cost £99 and you can get them in news agents and any chemist! They are very easy to buy.

There is no reason in the UK why every man should not be 100% sure of who are his real children.

[–]govt_took_my_baby 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This article is 4 years old.

Yeah, as stated in the title

There is no reason in the UK why every man should not be 100% sure of who are his real children.

No, you are correct. However, I think you missed the point of highlighting this article and that is the mindset that the man is to blame for breaking up a family if he decides not to continue paying for kids that aren't his, plus the complete absolution of the woman that has lied (or didn't even know) about the paternity of the kids

[+][deleted] 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]garglemesh42 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't upvote this enough. The family was already broken when she lied and cheated. Not finding out about it doesn't make it any less broken, it just means that the woman is too shitty to admit that she's screwing over not-father so she can use his cash to pay for not-his kid.

[–]_pluto_ 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't have a link handy but I'm pretty sure a study showed that men who realize they have been cuckolded suffer a similar degree of trauma to rape victims.

The fact that feminists think paternity fraud is no big deal tells us all we need to know about their empathy towards men.

[–]richardnorth 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It threatens their precious narrative that women are so wonderful.

[–]thesmos 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“If someone asked my advice about buying one of these tests, I would advise them to see a good psychotherapist instead.”

Says the psychotherapist. For the $30 cost of the test kit you could have a very therapeutic 10 minute conversation with a therapist. With the price of processing the kit included you could talk for a whole hour.

If genetics don't matter why don't they just randomly assign babies at the hospital -- "Genetics don't matter so here is a random baby who was born on the same day as your actual child."

[–]rodrigogirao 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminist logic: feels over reals. Nothing new here.

[–]leftajar 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course the mainstream, government-approved publication is going to oppose cheap paternity testing; Welfare enrollment will balloon with legions of cuckolding women.

[–]Lrellok 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Informed consent; vitally critical for women, totally irrelevant for men.

[–]Cassius969 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So much air over nothing. If the tests get banned then somebody else will do them for 200 instead of 30 pounds.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2010/10/an-instrument-of-choice.html

Dicentra steers us to the musings of Melanie McDonagh and a feminist rationale for fraud, dishonesty and extortion.

It begins thus,

It’s a wise child, they say, that knows its own father.

The subject being pondered is DNA paternity testing and its consequences. Given what follows, you may want to bear that opening sentence in mind.

For the entire course of human history, men have nursed profound, troubling doubts about the fundamental question of whether or not they were fathers to their own children; women, by contrast, usually enjoyed a reasonable level of certainty about the matter. Now, a cotton-wool swab with a bit of saliva, plus a small fee, less than £200, can settle the matter. At a stroke, the one thing that women had going for them has been taken away,

The one thing?

the one respect in which they had the last laugh over their husbands and lovers.

I hadn’t realised parenthood was about having the last laugh. Clearly, I need to brush up on the etiquette of modern mating. But surely paternity tests merely level the playing field in a matter of some gravity? What mama knows (and doesn’t say), papa can now find out. In terms of paternity, is that really such a crushing injustice?

DNA tests are an anti-feminist appliance of science, a change in the balance of power between the sexes that we’ve hardly come to terms with. And that holds true even though many women have the economic potential to provide for their children themselves… In making paternity conditional on a test rather than the say-so of the mother, it has removed from women a powerful instrument of choice.

Choice that may include deception and extortion.

Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them.

Suckering former lovers? Not a problem. Mama wants a selection box. Depriving a child and its actual father of a chance to know each other is also apparently fine. Because uncertainty allows it. Feminism, so conceived, seems to entail the right to a little moral sleight of hand. But hey, choice!

The old situation, in which women presented men with a child, and the man either did the decent thing and offered support, or made a run for it, allowed women a certain leeway… Paternity was ambiguous and it was effectively up to the mother to name her child’s father, or not… Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter?

Answers on a postcard please.

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