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According to new University policy, staring is sexual harassment!

alexmanu

April 20, 2015
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/r/MensRights
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Title According to new University policy, staring is sexual harassment!
Author

alexmanu

Upvotes 66
Comments 32
Date April 20, 2015 1:35 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/338crk/according_to_new_university_policy_staring_is/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/according-to-new-university-policy-staring-is.982318
https://theredarchive.com/post/982318
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[–]DavidByron2 17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

This policy is sexual harassment against each of the male students if it leads to more prosecutions against male students (which obviously it does as intended). It creates a hostile environment only for men and therefore is sex discrimination. This would be illegal in the USA (although it's certainly done there all the time too), and although anti-sexism laws in the UK are stronger, I'm not sure the sexual harassment laws are so expansive there.

At any rate as ever the only long term solution is for male students to bring accusations against female students and members of staff. While only men are the victims nothing will be done.

[–]whelponry 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

[–]DavidByron2 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Ayn Rand

The woman who cashed her social security checks?

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Technically SS is supposed to be your money.

From a libertarian standpoint that's your money that was taken from you. If you're robbed and the thief gives some of your property back are you a hypocrite for taking it?

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah but she spoke out against taking social security checks specifically didn't she?

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought she was against the program but considered it fine for people to take the money since it had been theirs.

[–]whelponry 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am no randroid (and check my comment history if you doubt me because I've said this previously) but the point about making rules to institute power is still valid. They've already made so many rules that it's essentially almost illegal to be male in an educational institution.

[+]Wargame4life -12 points-11 points-10 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

lol i forgot you dont understand how indirect discrimination works in accordance with EU directive 2004/113.

This policy is sexual harassment against each of the male students if it leads to more prosecutions against male students

yeah good one Einstein, in the same way if more men are arrested for committing murder its indirect discimination lol

[–]DavidByron2 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

lol im totally clueless let me make up shit and spread misinformation

Thank you, captain clueless.

[+]Wargame4life -12 points-11 points-10 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

lol coming from the moron who doesn't understand indirect discrimination and its applicability.

"murder laws are sexist because more men are charged with murder than women"---that it genuinely how stupid you are

[–]knowless 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's indirect discrimination?

[–]DavidByron2 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't understand how sexual harassment works and I can't be arsed explaining it to someone who is a dedicated idiot.

[+]Wargame4life -8 points-7 points-6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

keep telling yourself that princess, unfortunately for you reality has validated your stupidity .

keep promoting your idiocy, it is truly very funny especially as you genuinely believe you are correct.

[–]Scimitar66 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you are allowed to wear whatever you want, I'm allowed to point my eyes at whatever I want.

Autonomy runs both ways.

[–]nomenculture -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If the new guy in the office was a big burly bear - obviously gay and physically intimidating - and wouldnt stop staring at you, how would it make you feel? What would you do?

[–]Scimitar66 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is he physically intimidating me on purpose? If so then that may be grounds for actual harassment. If not then it's not fair for me to judge or accuse someone for just being large.

I don't honestly care about people looking at me.

[–]Big_Apple3AM 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How is this even enforced?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Through stuff like this. There's going to be funding for seminars on it that will be mandatory to attend.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Zero Tolerance policy to sexual harassment. -Luke Bowdery-VP Student Activities

This is like having the death penalty. No matter how much I tell someone you will get put to death if you kill 10 people, the person raping/assaulting will not care about a zero tolerance policy. They know what will happen with the policy or not.

It has no effect on the actual people committing the crimes.

[–]Vianns 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same here, in France. The "High Council for Men and Women equality" made an "avis" (don't know how to translate it... A report ?) about "sexual harassement" in public transports. It basically says that "100% women are sexually harassed in public transports throughough their life".
2 "funny" points in this documents: now staring at somebody or have the legs open are harassement, like masturbating in front of somebody. And when one women of this council has been asked where the "100%" cames from, she said that "women can be harassed without being aware of it. That's why the 100% blablabla". For 3 days, media exposed this 100% "fact". Without questioning it. Oh my god :-(

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[–]SimCity8000 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

you mean "staring provocatively to the point where the person feels uncomfortable"?

[–]CeruleaAzura 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I wouldn't say it's sexual harassment but if someone was just continously staring at me for no apparent reason I'd probably tell them to get fucked.

[–]ExpendableOne 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

for no apparent reason

The reason typically being something like "wow, this girl is really attractive, it's hard not to look" or maybe even something like "If I can make eye contact maybe she'll talk to me". I don't see how either of those justify telling a guy to go get fucked. Even if this was a guy that was completely "eye fucking" you, reacting in such a hostile and negative way to that would be a form of sexual shaming, and misandry if you would be fine with it when women do it to guys. A guy that wants to romanticize you, or even fantasize about you, is not insulting, harassing or assaulting you. He is not even in your personal space and, in some cases, may even feel shame/guilt for even having those feelings in the first place(which, really, is kind of a shitty emotion for men to be expected to feel, just because they're attracted to a woman or want to look).

[–]CeruleaAzura 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I get that but I mean if someone is staring right at me for over 30 seconds I will get paranoid and uncomfortable. It's not good manners to stare at someone for that long but considering that, it wouldn't be in good manners for me to swear at them after so I would and have just said 'May I help you?'

[–]Humankeg -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yea, title is misleading. I feel would uncomfortable as shit if some person was just eye fucking me for minutes straight.

I am not shy of looking at something I like (a girl's ass) but at a certain point it becomes uncomfortable for the person and down right creepy.

That being said, this is something too hard to enforce justly, but I am sure the colleges will be able to bring some reprimands towards their male population off this.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Staring at someone is not sexual harassment, plain and simple.

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[–]Humankeg -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If I were to sit across from you, place chin on my hands and unblinkingly stare at you, all while rubbing my private parts through my pants, licking my lips, you wouldn't be uncomfortable with that what so ever?

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[–]Humankeg -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually I am not comparing them. But good luck finding a human resources manager that doesn't think that is sexual harassment.

And if you feel so confident that it isn't sexual harassment, go ahead and go into work tomorrow and do that to one of your coworkers that you don't know very well and see what your human resources manager has to say about that.

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