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Washington Post: "Charlottesville police make clear that Rolling Stone story is a complete crock"

AndrewLevin

March 24, 2015
127 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/03/23/charlottesville-police-make-clear-that-rolling-stone-story-is-a-complete-crock/
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Title Washington Post: "Charlottesville police make clear that Rolling Stone story is a complete crock"
Author

AndrewLevin

Upvotes 127
Comments 15
Date March 24, 2015 7:49 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/303znk/washington_post_charlottesville_police_make_clear/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/washington-post-charlottesville-police-make-clear.985024
https://theredarchive.com/post/985024
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Comments

[–]HeyZuesHChrist 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

who made clear that the department’s failure to corroborate the allegations in the Rolling Story doesn’t mean that nothing traumatic happened to Jackie that night.

This is a great example of of how afraid people are to even say nothing happened. They had to say that something"might" have happened or else they would have been labeled a "rape apologist."

[–]xNOM 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not necessarily. It is part of the normal legal process -- assumed innocence of the "liar" in this case. If they said she lied and wasted tens of thousands of dollars of police resources, that would be positive assertion of a crime. But if this happened in Britain and it was as blatant as this, I imagine she would be prosecuted.

Of course we all know everything changes when it's a man in hot water over rape charges instead of a woman.

[–]HeyZuesHChrist 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think they would have been fine just saying, "there's no evidence that anything happened and it will be treated as such." I really saw no need for them to have the disclaimer they had. It just seems like by saying what they did they were saying, "hey, we're not saying nothing happened" to appease people when you shouldn't have to worry about appeasing them considering there is no evidence and this woman's friends have disputed the story.

[–]RockFourFour 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I was under the impression that they had clear, convincing evidence that nothing happened to her that night and that she was a lying lair who lies.

[–]HeyZuesHChrist 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, there was no evidence and her friends that were there disputed her story. So, no only could they not corroborate her story after talking to her friends that were there, they also couldn't find a single shred of evidence that any of the story was true. There is also evidence from the fraternity that they had no party that night.

There was no reason to say, "hey, it didn't happen, but we're not saying it didn't happen" other than to appease people when there is no need to do so. It feels like they felt like they had to admit something happened out of fear.

[–]RockFourFour 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It's disgusting. The frat should sue for slander. It's intentional, untrue, and malicious.

[–]jb_trp 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I get tired of those people who argue that "It doesn't matter if Jackie's story is true... Rape culture still exists." Every time they cling and rally to a blatant liar--whether "Jackie" has mental health issues or is just brainwashed by feminist propaganda--they undermine their own credibility.

We need to call this what it is: It is the complete redefining of rape to fit a feminist narrative. It's creating a culture and a belief where if any girl consents to a sexual encounter and later has regrets about it, she's more likely to call that sexual assault. How many of us haven't had a bad sexual experience in our 20s? Are we all victims of sexual assault by this new definition?

[–]HeyZuesHChrist 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Imagine if somebody was arrested for a crime, like murder, and we later found out it was a complete lie. And then imagine if we said, "well it doesn't matter if it's true because people are murdered every day and it needs to stop!"

Do you know what this is called? It's a called a witch hunt. This "Jackie" story is nothing more than a modern day witch hunt were instead of burning people at the stake we just burn their reputations to the ground instead with no evidence of them being witches.

[–]jb_trp 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Periodically in society there are these hysterias that sweep through and shut down rational thought.

In the Puritan days it was the Salem witch trials. That's where we get the term "witch hunt" from.

In the 1920s and 1950s it was the Red Scare: The fear of communism. If you were accused of being a communist you were screwed.

In the 1980s there was a hysteria over daycare sex-abuse that invovled underground secret tunnels and Satanic rituals. People went nuts. The McMartin Preschool trial was particularly disturbing. The initial accusation was made when a child had painful bowel movements and a schizophrenic mother felt her child must have been molested--even though the child denied it. Hysteria sweeped through town and the final trial involved 321 counts of child abuse involving 48 children. Again, accusations of secret tunnels and Satanic rituals. No convictions were obtained and the trial was the most expensive criminal trial in US history.

And this is what we're seeing today. Remember the Duke Lacrosse scandal? That case was particularly egregious when you hear the facts. At one point the accuser (whom I should mention is currently serving 20 years for stabbing her boyfriend to death) claimed that 20 men raped her. Think about that... She kept changing her story and at one point claimed 20 Duke lacrosse players raped her. What universe do we live in? These accusations still are effecting those innocent men.

And now we have the UVa case. Every time one of these hysterical high-profile case doesn't bare out... It needs to shed some light on the rape culture myth. The rape culture myth is both damaging to men and women. It turns innocent men into rapists and women into victims. It does a gross disservice to real rape victims by blurring the lines between actual rape and simply bad sexual experiences.

I'll end with a quote from a recent Slate article:

Carol Tavris is a social psychologist and author of the feminist classic, The Mismeasure of Woman, and, with Elliot Aronson, Mistakes Were Made (but Not by Me). She says she is troubled by the blurring of distinctions between rape (notably by predatory males), unwanted sex (where one party agrees to sex not out of desire but to please or placate the partner), and the kind of consensual sex where both parties are so drunk they can barely remember what happened—and one of them later regrets it. She says, “Calling all of these kinds of sexual encounters ‘rape’ or ‘sexual assault’ doesn’t teach young women how to learn what they want sexually, let alone how to communicate what they want, or don’t want. It doesn’t teach them to take responsibility for their decisions, for their reluctance to speak up. Sexual communication is really hard—you don’t learn how to do it in a few weekends.”

[–]bertreapot 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the narrative just turns all sex into sexual assault. as a young man in college, don't be surprised if you get booted for having sex, because hey, as a male you're responsible for having sex.

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[–]HeyZuesHChrist 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is, if Rolling Stone wants to consider themselves journalists then they SHOULD fire people over this. The article lacked all journalistic integrity and was nothing more than a TMZ or worse, more like a National Inquirer article. It did not fact check anything and simply ran with a highly polarizing and sensational STORY because they knew that it would generate clicks. It's a shoot first and ask questions later approach. That's not journalism. The court of public opinion is and always will be a Pandora's Box. It doesn't matter how many times you say it's not true later. It has real effects on the lives of people. Just ask the Duke Lacrosse team.

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[–]germaneuser 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's an opinion piece in the blog section hosted on the Washington post. It's not just some dude on a word press blog spouting stuff...

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, but it's still an opinion piece rather than news, though most of it is factual.

My reading of it is that wapo are scoring a blow against their professional rivals, and that they reckon they were the first to blow the cover on the fraud.

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