Men's right should focus on legalising and protecting men's right to marry a another man

luisrof · 2015-01-23T14:46:37+00:00

Speaking as a gay person, that isn't really a men's rights issue. Its nexus is not to them as men, but rather to their sexual identity.

I'd imagine many here support it, and likewise, many probably don't, as the stance taken on gay marriage is not indicative of a persons position on men's rights issues, but seeing as there is already a rather vocal movement for it, and that it isn't particularly related to this movement, there is insufficient reason for it to be a focus.

DavidByron2 · 2015-01-23T17:24:20+00:00

You know what having read more of what you're saying I think I mostly agree, but I do think your title was a bit off target. A better title to describe your position might be something like,

"I believe the sex discrimination faced by gay men - as men - across a number of issues, needs to be highlighted a lot more by MRAs."

Maybe try again with that title?

niggelprease · 2015-01-23T15:00:58+00:00

Marrying someone of your preferred sex is not a men's rights issue because it affects women and men equally.

DougDante · 2015-01-24T16:43:17+00:00

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the most persecuted groups of men.

This, in my opinion, would include:

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Funcuz · 2015-01-23T14:48:49+00:00

I would have put it a little more diplomatically than the above poster's comment but you need to remember that the MRA movement isn't simply about men. It's about daughters, mothers, grandmothers, sisters, wives, girlfriends, and so on. It's not just about men.

I think I speak for the majority around here when I say that although we support homosexual rights, it's really not the focus of our efforts or attention nor should it be. One aspect of our "mandate" certainly but as there is already a perfectly mainstream and largely successful homosexual advocacy movement, such redundancy makes little sense.

DavidByron2 · 2015-01-23T17:10:37+00:00

Well firstly gay men aren't the most persecuted men.

But at this point gay marriage is pretty much a done deal in the USA. it's working it's way through the courts in each state separately since the bigots on the supreme court wouldn't touch it, but the worst they could do -- and did -- was ignore it and delay it.

Legal rulings are running about 30 to zero in favour of gay marriage.

Gay rights have a lot more serious issues in the USA than marriage. They always did but for some reason advocates decided to concentrate on gay marriage which in many respects was the hardest and least necessary right to try to get.

Or do you mean gay marriage rights in the third world?

At any rate your comment seems to fundamentally misunderstand what an advocate for group X rights is. it means an advocate for those rights qua group X, not for any rights a person in group X might lack for reasons having nothing to do with their being in group X.

I mean do you hang out on gay rights boards demanding them to do something about custody laws because some gay people are effected by those laws?

You're making no sense here.

kizzan · 2015-01-23T14:53:54+00:00

The top focus, eh. Even though there are other issues that affect more men than this?

HyJenx · 2015-01-23T15:49:46+00:00

This issue is, and should be, encompassed by men's rights. If our goal is to create a society where men and women are equal under the law, than any legal position that differentiates arbitrarily between the sexes is indefensible.

The law should be blind to gender. Just as the law should be blind to race, creed and religion.

MRSPArchiver · 2015-01-23T14:32:26+00:00

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wazzup987 · 2015-01-23T19:04:32+00:00

Listen as group have larger issues than a specific subset. She ha e enough problem with little stuff. Gay guy have a movement ment for Better or worse. It not that we don't support lgby issues, its just they have very strong advocacy groups.

luisrof · 2015-01-25T01:20:55+00:00

This is such a cheap point you feminists keep trying to make to ruin our image. Now go tell your camp to stop speaking of white women's struggles since they have the least of anyone.

2015-01-23T16:38:07+00:00

I wholeheartedly agree. We need to go politically gay en masse and go our own way away from women. Before that it needs to be legal. Right now there's a pussy cartel on marriage.

snyper7 · 2015-01-23T21:47:24+00:00

Well these responses are damn disappointing.

Pornography_saves_li · 2015-01-23T15:00:11+00:00

Oh look, more SJW entryism....

EndlessTosser · 2015-01-23T14:38:21+00:00

That's what gay rights are for.

The vast majority of men do not want to marry other men. The vast majority of men would like to be able to marry and not have to worry about never seeing their kids again. Lots of us would like to see men be accepted at domestic violence shelters so we can escape abusive wives, girlfriends and others. Several of us want to see laws put into place so that infant boys do not have their genitals ripped apart so vain old women can have 'skin rejuvenating' makeup.

That fight is for a niche group of men, who already have a civil right movement that is accepted mainstream. If you want that to be a reality, the most expedient way to have it occur is to connect it to the gay rights movement, who are already fighting that fight.

We have chosen to fight different battles. Battles that no one else is bothering to fight. So thanks for the drive-by posting, but fuck off for your entitlement.

luisrof · 2015-01-23T16:58:58+00:00

"even if held morally wrong in the larger society, and, in the men's spaces, sexual attraction between men is seen as a universal male quality, not something limited to a minority."

Male to Male: Sexual Feeling Across the Boundaries of Identity (Haworth Gay Studies)

"Alexander the Great, Sexual attraction between males was seen as a normal and universal part of human nature since it was believed that men were attracted to beauty, an attribute of the young, regardless of gender."

luisrof · 2015-01-23T18:11:11+00:00

What makes you think gays are the most persecuted group of men?

Not all men are gay. It is an important issue, but shouldnt the focus be on more inclusive issues first? Many men are not big friends of the institution of marriage to begin with.

Gay rights are important, but I am sure they can be deferred after issues affecting all men are tackled.

luisrof · 2015-01-23T15:21:31+00:00

http://nwnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012-TWI-Comparison-of-Hate-Crime-Rates-Among-Protected-Unprotected-Groups2.pdf Read this and tell me how it isn't a men's problem

Title	Men's right should focus on legalising and protecting men's right to marry a another man
Author	luisrof
Upvotes	8
Comments	133
Date	January 23, 2015 2:31 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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