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In a serious relationship, how long should one wait at most before having a sexual relationship?

StockHamster12

October 16, 2023
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Title In a serious relationship, how long should one wait at most before having a sexual relationship?
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StockHamster12

Upvotes 8
Comments 58
Date October 16, 2023 8:42 PM UTC
(2 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/AllPillDebate
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[–]DesolateDanse 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

This question kind of has me wondering, if a woman puts out on the first date does that cause the man to lose respect for her because it’s “slutty”, or does it cause the man to feel prideful that the date went well and she’s clearly very into him?

I think 2-3 dates is fair though for both parties any longer and she’s either very religious or not into you.

[–]ViolentMagician1 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I prefer it because more often than not, if she makes you wait, there's another guy that got it instantly. Especially when it comes to modern western women.

[–]kukkle1111 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

The fact you’re even making him jump through hoops and take you out on a date is already proof you’re not attracted to him.

If it were Chad, you’d go to his place and let him do whatever he wanted without forcing him to spend a dime on you.

If you would never do that with the guy taking you out to dinner, you’re not attracted to him, stop wasting his time and move on.

[–]DesolateDanse 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

OP specified it was for a serious relationship, if I get lust at first sight for a guy I’m not letting him hit immediately if I’m looking for an LTR, I don’t care how wet he makes me. And please don’t assume I engage in the degenerate behavior that is known as going on dates with men for free meal tickets 🤢

[–]kukkle1111 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

if I get lust at first sight for a guy I’m not letting him hit immediately if I’m looking for an LTR, I don’t care how wet he makes me.

Horseshit. You know he’s got a line of girls around the corner who will give it up if you won’t.

[–]DesolateDanse 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And his desirability by other women affects me how? If I lose him I lose him, if he can’t wait even one date how the hell is he going to be “serious relationship” material? I’m not being strung along or even worse a baby momma. And this is under the assumption I’m stupid enough to choose a guy that’s lusted after by every other woman.

[–]kukkle1111 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And this is under the assumption I’m stupid enough to choose a guy that’s lusted after by every other woman.

You are. That’s why Chad gets all the pussy.

[–]operation-spot 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Good for him, I won’t be one of the girls in line and if he does that, he’s immediately disqualified as a long term partner.

[–]thesneedfulneedful 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You've never had casual sex? If you have, you're trying to repackage an unwrapped gift. Stop selling a fake image of yourself and be honest with potential partners.

[–]LuckySquirrel1429 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So you don’t want to compete with other women’s for a high value man but you expect him to compete with dudes that are not even on his level? Nah that’s not how it works.

[–]operation-spot 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I expect a man I consider high value to choose me because I am also high value. I don’t need to be with him so he has to prove that being with him is better than being with any other man or simply being alone.

[–]EverVigilant1 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Interesting turn of phrase there.

So if you’re not looking for a relationship, and you get lustful, will you let him hit it?

[–]DesolateDanse 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Probably not, while I don’t personally value my virginity that much, I know a lot of men do care about it and want to feel special so I am trying to save myself in that regard and make a good decision about who’s going to be my first.

[–]EverVigilant1 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Interesting.

How old are you?

Have you considered what you'll do when you're in the heat of the moment? Because that will happen, and you will be put in that position. Decide ahead of time how you'll address it when it happens.

[–]DesolateDanse -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m 19 and I haven’t given it much thought because I’m not really at clubs or parties or other situations where going home with someone is on the table but definitely something I’ll keep in mind I don’t want to look back and be embarrassed or ashamed at the first man I slept with lol

[–]EverVigilant1 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I promise you that you will soon find yourself in a situation with a very, very attractive man who's pushing all your buttons and making your pussy gush. You will have to decide what you'll do. So I strongly suggest that you start thinking about it.

[–]operation-spot -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

If a man feels that way it’s probably for the best that he filtered himself out. If she’s not trying to hook up don’t expect hookup behavior.

[–]kukkle1111 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Funny how Chad never “weeds” himself out.

[–]operation-spot -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

If anyone demands sex on the first date them weeded themselves out and I don’t believe in having sex on the first date when looking for long term relationships. Chad is suitable for a hookup. Nothing more nothing less therefore he’s not even a potential long term partner at least for me.

[–]kukkle1111 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You’re not giving the potential long term a fair deal. Chad got to dip his dick in you without all this dating bullshit. The potential long term has to date you to get the same deal.

He has to pay for what Chad got for free.

But of course in your head, this is perfectly fine.

[–]operation-spot -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The fact that you think dating is bullshit is part of the issue if you ask me. Dating is not fair so I’m not sure why you’d even bring it up. I believe in splitting dates so no one’s paying a lot of money.

I think having sex can cloud your judgement and since I take long term relationships very seriously I don’t have sex early on. It’s perfectly fine in my head and any partner of mine should feel the same because otherwise, we aren’t compatible.

[–]kukkle1111 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It’s perfectly fine in my head and any partner of mine should feel the same because otherwise, we aren’t compatible.

You’re gonna need to stop dating men, then. Either that or lie through your teeth and do not ever admit to getting railed without making the man court you first.

[–]operation-spot 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think there’s a reason to talk about body count and I’m very upfront about the relationship type I want to have with someone so they know they aren’t be considered as a hookup.

[–]kukkle1111 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think there’s a reason to talk about body count

Why?

If he doesn’t like that you got railed by other men for free, then he’s “filtering” himself out, as you said.

[–]operation-spot1 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I care about a man’s opinions on sex but I think trying to quantify sexual history in an attempt to decide if you think someone is dirty is ultimately unproductive. More often than not how a man reacts when I say I don’t believe in talking about body count let’s me know if we aren’t compatible.

[–]Aafan_Barbarro1 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

This is very telling, funny even. "Untimately unproductive", that's a great way to put it. What do you have to hide?

[–]curious_lychee91 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I can’t speak for others, but I always ask to gauge if we have similar experience levels and if she is treating me worse than other guys, not if she’s “dirty”. I might be in the minority on this one though and I do recall the posts surrounding pair bonding, I just haven’t put those posts or studies under much scrutiny yet.

[–]EverVigilant11 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It’s not about dirty. It’s about different treatment, and ultimately, whether you are sexually attracted.

[–]saraimarsena 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

not necessarily

[–]TheRedPillRipperRedPill 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

cause the man to lose respect

It depends on maturity. When I was younger I used party. A lot. So ONS were the norm. After my first divorce, I’d changed. Set up day/coffee/walk dates. To see if we were compatible. Then set up dates after. It worked. Slept with my now wife, on the second date.

[–]StockHamster121 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

There are also those who easily succeed and enjoy struggling to feel prideful; it must depend a lot on the type of person

[–]saraimarsena 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

a bit curious what y’all would make of my relationship.

i waited with my bf. gave him head about 2 weeks into us seeing each other (would’ve been longer if we started off as strangers, we’d been friends and coworkers for about 7 months). waited for PIV for about 3 months.

i also noticed he was handsome when i first met him.

there were situations early on when i had strong desire to sleep with him but i decided to hold off until i felt comfortable and sure.

he’s my second sexual partner.

now 2 years in, im still extremely attracted to him and he knows it, my desire for sex w him is about 5-8x a week, ideally.

he waited, but in what way would he be a “beta”?

[–]StockHamster12WhitePill[S] -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i felt comfortable and sure.

'Comfortable and sure' is just a word to say that you're sure he's ready to be a beta for you.
Raw attraction doesn't care about what he is capable of providing.
But that was in the context of a serious relationship; he surely has no intention of marrying you.
He knows very well that the day he has a financial problem or anything else, you won't be there for him. If it's not you who's getting divorced and taking everything from him.

Not having sex with him would fall more into the 'cuck' category.

That's what I make of your relationship; the categories are just the humorous part of my poll and definitely do not reflect the subreddit.

[–]Weekly_Signal6481 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't remember her saying anything about his financial status or being able to provide for her

[–]SlutforDirtyFeet 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you don't treat him like beta and still sexually attracted to him there's no problem .I have knows guys who get it once a month that too is after begging 🤡🤐

[–]thesneedfulneedful 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You are SELF-admittedly several standard deviations below the mean in terms of sexual activity for a woman. The mean number of sex partners for women is 6, self-reported (so considerably higher in actuality).

You're what statisticians call an outlier. Your data point would be excluded from analysis of CENTRAL behaviors in women by necessity, the same way a prostitute or a schizophrenic nymphomaniac would be excluded.

[–]saraimarsena 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i wasn’t saying i was the norm, and i wasn’t trying to be part of a data set. i was just asking out of curiosity how your minds would interpret a situation like mine.

[–]curious_lychee91 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Depends on your experience with the first partner you had unless it was truly a one off mistake

[–]EverVigilant1 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't know what this means.

You have sex as soon as you both are sexually attracted and want to have sex.

You should have sex no later than the time period in which she had sex the soonest after meeting. So if she fucked a chad 2 hours after meeting him, that's when she should fuck you. If she waited to the second date to fuck, then she should fuck you by then. If she waited to the third date, then she should fuck you by then.

You should not wait any longer than the shortest time she made any other man wait. Almost all women have a Chad in their pasts. Almost all women have fucked a guy very, very soon after meeting. She sets that precedent, that's fine; but that's the standard by which all her later relationships will be conducted and judged.

If she won't fuck by the third date, she's not sexually attracted to you and you should cut her loose.

[–]fastrogamer14 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is such a fundamental misunderstanding of romance

[–]Aafan_Barbarro 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Romance is when one man gets sex instantly and the other one after six months, right?

[+]Dragonballer728 -6 points-5 points-4 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not every relationship is going to be the same. Sometimes you just need to wait longer

[–]Aafan_Barbarro 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, there are AF and BB relationships. The BB must wait.

[–]EverVigilant1 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then move on. If you won’t give it up in the same time as prior men then you’re not attracted and it won’t work.

[–]brianmfellenbaum 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I never fuck on the first date … but if she don’t fuck on date two you gotta go 👋🏼

[–]LocalTsunamiCat 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on a person. We waited for a few months, as we both were virgins.

I wouldn't be comfortable jumping into bed from the go even as a non-virgin. At least a month to get to know each other, get tested, then sex with condoms. Assuming we're exclusive, after half a year we do tests again and can experiment without condoms if he had a vasectomy.

[–]SilentFroggy 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I could have a virgin, I’d wait a long time

[–]curious_lychee91 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If she didn’t want to be fuckbuddies with you and has done it before(you can presume yes despite what she says if you met on a dating app and she’s over 20)it’s already over. I voted 1st date.

[–]DurtyDanky1 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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1st date? And that's supposed to be a serious relationship?

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Realistically, no longer than the 4th date but only if there is physical intimacy before that. If there's no touching and and fooling around, then the third date max.

[–]kalashhhhhhhh 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The shortest amount of time I've known a guy before sleeping with him was 5 months.

[–]Walnuts_TheBigNut 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex should happen straight away, it isn't as important as you think it is. I've tested this, I made my girlfriend wait two weeks before and she threw herself on me from temptation. Never beg for it, never!

[–]Lonely-Bumblebee3097 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

A friend (skinny average looking white guy in 40s poorly endowed) dated an Indian chick in her 40s who intially talked about having daily sex with her exes (well endowed masculine Indian and other race guys), she initiated the relationship, whe living apart there was making out, sex once on Valentines Day, she then says doesnt want sex until living together, once living together she says not til marriage, barely puts effort into intimacy but acts extra insecure with no basis but kept options, later says no "fantasies" (vanilla stuff like erotic massage), he leaves her for being toxic not for the delays on sex. She also changes her story and says shes only had sex 3 times all 3 in relationships including the once with him and says she has low libido, vaginal pain and fear of pregnancy before marriage. Later on she tries to get him back and promises sex before marriage, he gets back with her andshe flip flops and says not til marriage and says she meant she believes in the idea but denies she meant with them. He calls her out on it and she ends it. There are loads of Indian memes about sad simps who want "love" but the girl is always busy with "studies" and Indian women who get their thrills before marriage then settle down in a nonsexual marriage. Now she tells him she will have sex before marriage to see if she can keep up with a partners sex drive (he has ED) If my friend marries her what will be his future?

[–]StockHamster12WhitePill[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A friend, huh? 👀

[–]Lonely-Bumblebee3097 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah.....a friend 🥸

[–]Weekly_Signal6481 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on your personal convictions and morals

[–]AssistTemporary8422 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its crazy to me that people have sex after just 2-3 dates. You barely know this person or whether they have STDs.

[–]lighthub 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup, Lots of crazy people out there promoting crazy things

They value sex over their own lives

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