I'm a 23M and I've never had a girlfriend, I don't consider myself ugly, but I'm quite an introvert and that's why I had assimilated that I will never have a girlfriend (but because I always thought that women never start a conversation). However, right now I'm volunteering in a hostel and I work with a guy about my age who is a tall, thin, Brazilian model, the fact is that I realized something, when I'm in a common room, me and another girl (a guest from the hostel) they never speak to me (or look at me, it is as if they avoid my gaze), and many times they don't even respond when I enter the room and say “hi”, however, when my coworker is alone in the room, the girls in the room start talking to him and it's as if their face light up when they saw him.
In short, I was always wrong with women, it's not that they never start a conversation, it's that I'm ugly.
Edit: So this is why I decided to write this post, similar things have happened but today was blatant. My coworker friend and I were on a sofa talking, and there was another girl with a laptop in the same room, she didn't say a word. I got up to go shower and just walk out the door and when I close it, I start to hear the girl saying "Hi, what's your name, where are you from?" When I finished taking a shower, I went back to the room where they were both and shortly after my friend left the room to make a call, it was exactly the same situation, she and another person alone in the room, she didn't say a word to me (I wasn’t even looking at my phone, exactly because I wanted to force to see if it was just my imagination or is it because I look not interested because I use my phone), she didn’t even rise her head from the laptop, my friend came back from making the call, and after a while the girl got up to leave, she said "see you" with a big smile to my friend, I was on the sofa sitting next to him looking at her, she didn't even look at me when saying goodbye.
[–]Lainsel 25 points26 points27 points (12 children) | Copy Link
Being an average looking man is being ugly to women. This is what Redditors and most normies will never understand.
Also, kek at being an avererage looking/below average man and working a job like that.
[–]ROBYoutube -3 points-2 points-1 points (11 children) | Copy Link
Ah. I see you're aware of the psy op that's getting literally everybody outside of OP's echo chamber to say completely untrue things in unison, repeatedly. Almost like it's true. Anyway no it's a conspiracy.
[–]Lainsel 4 points5 points6 points (10 children) | Copy Link
Why are so many of you in denial?
[–]ROBYoutube -2 points-1 points0 points (9 children) | Copy Link
Yes, it is the billions of other people that are deluded.
[–]zastale 4 points5 points6 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Argumentum ad populum
Every time I see you comment, you’re making a fool of yourself, effortlessly.
[–]ROBYoutube -2 points-1 points0 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Lol ok explain how everyone has decided to lie in unison since reddit was born except small cabals of weirdos who think otherwise.
[–]zastale 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I don’t care to.
[–]ROBYoutube -2 points-1 points0 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmao
[–]ItoshiSae10 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Appeal to popularity.
[–]ROBYoutube 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
It is! Well spotted. Even if I posted this a full month ago.
If you think it's fallacious to look at a cabal of internet losers saying one thing, every other person on earth saying another, and choosing the people who have sex and succeed at interpersonal relationships, then fair enough.
[–]ItoshiSae10 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Just because someone is successful doesnt make them right.
Also looks>personality is a view not only held by ``losers on the internet``.
[–]ROBYoutube 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
No, but when 8 billion people are successful and say one thing they're probably right.
[–]ItoshiSae10 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Not all 8b. A lot of men with gf and attractive ones say that too.
[–]SadDogOfShiman0 18 points19 points20 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Bruh reading the comments made me burst some blood vessels lmao. What a copefest.
[–]orbstnedifnocdesabBlackPill[S] 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
fr they actively dont want to pinpoint that women are shallow
[–]Affinity4186 10 points11 points12 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Society runs under the lie that women aren’t shallow and if you can’t attract one you have a worse personality than hitler
[–]EugeneCezanne 5 points6 points7 points (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't get this claim. I grew up and saw the hottest guys in school get all the girls. I watched TV and saw the hottest guys on screen get all the girls. Even the "losers" who get the girl in the end were typically actors good looking enough to play the hot guys in other projects—and the fact that they were underdogs in the first place emphasizes that the even hotter guys had a natural advantage.
I really don't understand how anyone ever got the idea that women don't care a lot about looks. Like is everyone just taking dating advice from their moms?
[–]Affinity4186 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I always knew looks mattered as well. It's just that if you express your frustration with being unattractive people will gaslight you and tell you that you look fine and that your personality sucks. I don't like it when people piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
[–]EugeneCezanne -2 points-1 points0 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Part of that is just people being kind. I understand that not everyone finds that helpful.
I always try to be honest with people. And it's my honest impression that most average or slightly below guys could usually do just a few things that would make a significant improvement. Whenever I look at a female friend's tinder, for example, I'm astonished by what the vast majority of young men there think they can get away with.
And I also think personality is underrated. I've seen a lot of unattractive guys do very well for no obvious reason than that they have a great attitude and are fun to be around. I've also seen attractive guys, who are fun to be around when the group is all men, turn into very different and underwhelming people when around women and struggle, despite good genes.
[–]SedTheeMightyWhitePill 9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep this is how a guy discovers the “blackpill”. You can’t even rationalize it away when you’re put in a situation like what was described
[–]InjectAdrenochrome 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm rolling my eyes at the guys who talk about their ugly friends that slay. Those guys wouldn't know ugly if it landed on their head.
[–]fatsackguy473 points [recovered] | Copy Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/dating/comments/145gsin/i_was_wrong_about_women/jnnahqa/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
this dude was the placeholder BF on several different occasions and he still doesn’t get it. some people will do anything but admit we are right. it’s not even worth trying to convince them.
[+]Obsidian_Koilz -6 points-5 points-4 points (3 children) | Copy Link
People are shallow. Your looks can be a gateway to conversation, dating, love, sex, and relationships.
Your looks can also cause derision, preconceived notions, distaste, disdain, social/sexual loneliness, perpetual virginity, othering, stereotypes, and ostracization.
Ok.
We know this.
Doesn't mean SOME people don't want encouragement, some positive feedback, or even a mollifying pat on the back. SOME people are looking for comfort or solidarity.
It is what it is.
[–]orbstnedifnocdesabBlackPill[S] 12 points13 points14 points (2 children) | Copy Link
why do u want comfort or solidarity? the main reason why men fail is lies they been told. if i was told that my looks matter at a young age i would done the best to not turn ugly
[+]Obsidian_Koilz -6 points-5 points-4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't. I don't need it. I said, SOME people do... to avoid the generalizations or speaking for a particular person.
So, you're outside of that SOME. That's you and others who feel as you do. And if that works for you, cool. It doesn't work for all people. And that's ok too.
I'm not the type to kick someone when their down, unsure, or disappointed. I keep it honest, but don't set out to decimate anyone's self-esteem.
So, things CAN be altered in your opinion? Looks, physical attributes, style, etc...? With a bit of forewarning and some possible guidance? So than... still a bit of hope. No?
[–]orbstnedifnocdesabBlackPill[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[+]TermAggravating8043 -14 points-13 points-12 points (16 children) | Copy Link
I’m going to bet the dudes a creepy bastard and the very fact that he’s judging “woman” (all 3.5 billion of them) on these interactions shows how narrow minded he is
[–]Ok_Gas3692 9 points10 points11 points (15 children) | Copy Link
Why are you here ho back to ppd and continue your man hating
[+]TermAggravating8043 -6 points-5 points-4 points (14 children) | Copy Link
I don’t hate men at all, and I’m entitled to express my opinion like everyone else
[–]Ok_Gas3692 6 points7 points8 points (13 children) | Copy Link
All pill debate was created because of ppd gaslighting, banning men and their favoritism of women. I came hereto get away from people like you, ppd and their followers wanted us gone so why come here?
[–]TermAggravating8043 -4 points-3 points-2 points (12 children) | Copy Link
Ppd is mutual, your only banned if you break the rules or spread hate Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone is entitled to speak
[–]Ok_Gas3692 4 points5 points6 points (6 children) | Copy Link
The massive line of men banned for calling out women's hypocrisy Says otherwise. Let's not forget about women saying things way worse than me and nothing happening but a guy mentions that he is a virgin and unhappy about it and it gets labeled as incel content.
[–]TermAggravating8043 -1 points0 points1 point (5 children) | Copy Link
If he’s a sexist arsehole then yes
If you group together literally billions of people you’ve never met on the actions of a few then your narrow minded at best
[–]Ok_Gas3692 1 point2 points3 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Just like the rest of the women on ppd you would deny of women doing any wrong. Exactly why I ignorenthat place and why this place is breath of fresh air.
[–]TermAggravating8043 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
I don’t judge people I’ve never met
[–]Ok_Gas3692 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
You mean how you judged the op by calling him a creep even though you never met me him?
[–]TermAggravating80431 point [recovered] | Copy Link
If you read my first comment you would see that I said “I bet” going by his post and some of his choice of words
[–]Ok_Gas36922 points [recovered] | Copy Link
It's cool you're just a hypocrite bye.
[–]Last-Post2085BlackPill 1 point2 points3 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
PPD is ran by a bunch of morons abusing their power. Which is why this sub was created to have a more open discussion
[–]TermAggravating8043 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Open discussion? You can have that anywhere so long as you are respectful of other people.
Trp sub got banned because they started advocating violence and rape against women,
[–]Last-Post2085BlackPill 1 point2 points3 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
You can't even say the word "cope" there. It has power hungry mods, in particular the one woman mod (who seems to be the only one who even moderates it).
[–]TermAggravating8043 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Maybe because “cope” it’s not an argument, but too many people there were using as a “I can’t argue with your logical so I’m just going to throw out this as a means to end the debate”
[–]Last-Post20852 points [recovered] | Copy Link
Just outright banning a word is dumb though. I understand if someone just responds with "cope" but I see people type large debates and someone just responds back with "didnt read" or "ok". So there is no difference really