How to des-radicalize

SweelFor- · 2024-02-20T04:42:51+00:00

You have been brainwashed by stupid ideas, and fortunately you realised it early enough.

My advice is to start by unbrainwashing yourself, by cutting yourself from all sources where you have learned these ideas. Unsubscribe from the youtube channels, from the subreddits, wherever you found this. Create new accounts if the algorythms still get to you.

After having unlearned bad ideas, it's good to learn good ideas. Red pill is bad psychology. I recommend that you learn good psychology instead. I recommend that you listen to the Psychology In Seattle podcast and youtube channel, as much as possible.

AssistTemporary8422 · 2024-02-20T05:14:35+00:00

I truly believe on the problems modern men are facing, being unable to have a healthy relationship with women (for many reasons).

Can you elaborate in what ways men are unable to have a healthy relationship with women?

I believe feminism (actual one, because i like some feminist ideas too) has damaged men and masculinity.

How has feminism damaged men?

I believe on men loneliness problem. I believe on men existential crisis.

I believe these are problems too. What are the biggest causes?

FellasImSorry · 2024-02-20T06:07:40+00:00

Why don’t you try not obsessing over juvenile horseshit?

Maybe volunteer to help truly needy people. Plan a long camping trip into wilderness. Read books instead of the internet. Talk to actual other people. Get drunk with strangers. Hang out with old people. Etc.

bluemagex2517 · 2024-02-20T13:34:43+00:00

I believe feminism (actual one, because i like some feminist ideas too) has damaged men and masculinity.

I disagree. Both on a personal level, and observing society as a whole, feminism helps men who actually accept it. Men who try to hold onto their traditional roles and who think they are superior and should be favored by society are the only ones losing out, and they can get fucked. Men who genuinely want equity with women and who want to live happy healthy lives have benefited massively from feminism.

I believe on men loneliness problem. I believe on men existential crisis. I have lived all this by myself.

Speak for yourself and not all men. There were always lonely men, and now social media and internet forums have given them a larger microphone to complain and commiserate together. Not all of us are lonely. I'm certainly not. Very few of my guy friends are. A couple of them are, and they stand out as exceptions. And, yeah, that's a problem for those guys, and I'm happy to help with that problem, but let's not pretend like it's a problem for men in general. It's not. Most men are fine. You might feel like it's a majority of men, but that's only because of the spaces you choose to frequent. The guys with mediocre love lives don't talk about that. So all you hear is the very loud guys struggling, and the smaller but also loud guys who are doing very well (or want to brag). The group you don't hear, the guys who have normal ups and downs, who get dates but still sometimes struggle a bit, who have good but not amazing relationships, they're the overwhelming majority of men over the age of 24.

WWhiMM · 2024-02-20T05:34:39+00:00

So these are problems you're having, and you're finding that the redpill stuff isn't solving those problems. Yea, you should be looking for solutions in other places.
There's no easy answer to, like, an existential crisis. There are a lot of different answers, and you'll have to look all over and do a lot of thinking for yourself. I really like the podcast Philosophize This! for meaning of life type content.
If you're having trouble with your social and/or romantic life... the most costly option would be seeing a therapist, but there's all kind of self-help content out in the world that isn't redpill stuff. and you'd probably make good progress just listening to free advice from outside the bubble you got stuck in. Look for the people who talk about "relationships" and avoid the people who focus on "men/women," because good relationship advice is not gender specific.

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JohnBoWestCanada · 2024-02-21T17:57:39+00:00

I don't particularly like society either, but here we are. We mostly can't control it, but we control how to react to it.

Feminism is an attempt to give women power of choice in society and to help them excel in areas they may not have before. Its goals are noble. One way it tries to achieve its goals, however, is to make a set of priorities that women generally endorse as THE social standard for everyone.

In practice, when it comes to dating, women now have a myriad of expectations and expect men to reach standards it actually takes a very long time for men usually to learn how to reach. It used to be men needed a good job, a social life, some interesting things about him, and often he was good to go. Now there's a whole set of emotional requirements, expectations of good taste, communication standards, and political values women expect in addition to the old school expectation of looks and acceptable income. Many men on this sub seem to understand these expectations, and good for them. But many men still do not because they aren't always easy to learn. Redpill is one way to try to explain these changes in dating, but it's scientistic, arrogant, stubborn, and attracts bitter people.

One thing redpill seems to be right about is hypergamy, and this is in line with the new laundry list of expectations women have. It could just be that in this new environment, you're just going to be left behind and you have to deal with it. One potential disadvantage of feminism applied to dating is that women have so many expectations that many average men can't reach them, and so women may not end up happy either. Another potential disadvantage of feminism is the glorification and normalization of envy, lust and pride. But this is up to women to figure out.

What do I suggest to you? The goal should be to not attach your personal worth to what kind of women you can attract or be in a relationship with. In order to achieve this goal, start with working on virtues like patience and gratitude. Find a social group and make a point of doing things with that group. If you're up for it, you might have to start getting involved in worship.

This whole approach is called virtue ethics. It isn't identity politics, it isn't moral relativism, and it isn't utilitarianism.

Title	How to des-radicalize
Author	sharedordaz
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Date	February 20, 2024 4:13 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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