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learning about redpill content is pushing me to lesbianism

Mean_Mechanic9889

February 5, 2023

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I've learnt a lot of redpill theories in this group. My aim was to just help people who had issues with woman, as a woman.

The ideas and attitude towards woman is basically demeaning bitterness because they feel woman are barring them from sex.

Well having explored the lesbian community (lovely people btw) woman are the opposite of the problem.

When there's no men there judging woman for being sexual (slut, ugly, etc) wow they really do have great sopurtive and very active sex lives.

It's made me see the connection to the matriarchal bonobos. Woman on their own are like bonobos and I'm so here for it.

It men (not all but generalising) that are barring yourself from sex through trying to control woman's sex life through judgment.

Bizzare to realise this. But redpill guys are possibly the dumbest collective group I've ever come across.

Shook queen's. If any of you have an issue with me, would like to tell me how woman don't feel sexual desire, love and are dim gold diggers who use sex as weapon or reward. But loose all value as a person after 25 . . I'm gonna be over there having incredibly sopurtive, non judgment and hot sex with my lesbian community

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Title	learning about redpill content is pushing me to lesbianism
Author	Mean_Mechanic9889
Upvotes	3
Comments	68
Date	February 5, 2023 6:40 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Remandergrowth 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]Mean_Mechanic9889 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Naus1987 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Mean_Mechanic9889 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly the main issue is eliminated. I'm still finding it very easy to meet people. (The benifit of womanhood men talk about) but I don't need to worry about the partner being really wierd about me actually dating, even themsleves (have to play hard to get to be rrspected). I won't be seen as a slag, it's highly unlikely anyone will try a lot of the things men are doing more commonly. Image based sexual abuse. Trying to ruin your reputation for having an equal or less than equal interest in sex as him.

You're right it's not all men. But the more I've learnt about this gender stuff I've noticed that all society still hasn't emerged from misogynistic sexism standards. We've come a long way and my brother, men I've been actual friends with are amazing people. I praise them so highly. Theres a lot of great guys, you can be a lovely gender. Truely I do love you guys. But it's hard work to date in this faux equal society. Redpill is just the ridiculous extreme of fairly accepted damaging gender roles. It's nice to be free of gender roles and just enjoy my life.

[–]Mean_Mechanic9889 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]beansmuch 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]Mean_Mechanic9889 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]Naus1987 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m not defending that guy, and probably siding with your argument that men can be terrible, but I don’t think a lot of these men can be saved.

Red pill is very bad at proving it’s actually effective. So showing proof it doesn’t work won’t help, because that proof is pretty apparent when most red pill simply isn’t working for anyone.

I don’t think they want help to find success. I think they just want to circle jerk and be mad at women who hurt them.

Hurt people hurt other people.

The biggest problem is that these hurt men need a safe space where they can vent their frustration and struggles (often caused by women) without their pain being invalidated. And sadly red pill is the only safe space for that.

—-

When a woman is assaulted, and she cries in anger that all men are evil, no one shushes her and corrects her “well technically, that’s sexiest!”

Most women get to vent, because people understand that their words are out of pain, and not malice. They’re allowed to grieve their frustrations without being censored or policed.

Men just don’t have that. Men can’t complain without being rattled for it. And that’s why red pill grows.

—-

Sadly telling people that a bad vice isn’t going to help isn’t going to get them to stop. Until that pain is healed, they’ll always need a vice to cope.

The fucked up part is there’s not really a good cure. Even normal, non red pill don’t always have healthy and good relationships. A large part of the population is suffering in this.

[–]Mean_Mechanic9889 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]beansmuch 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't understand the logic behind it. But tbh you don't sound like you value female opinion? How do you expect redpillers to calm down and realise the logic is off, without talking to woman?

You read one comment from me. Don't be making these assumptions, that I don't "value the opinion of women". You don't know me. You don't even know what my involvement with the redpill even was. I would say the same thing to someone here who was a man who was never a redpiller or had no understanding of its philosophy. You plainly said in your post that you learned about redpill philosophy from this very subreddit, which indicates you had very little prior knowledge about it before you got here. It's not even that you're not an ex-redpiller, but the fact that you didn't know much about the redpill before you came here to participate in this subreddit is what I'm hitting at here.

This subreddit is pretty shitty because it is overridden with people with a moral vendetta against the redpill who were never redpillers to begin with, who come here to just vent about their newly-toxic boyfriend or their newly-toxic brother or whoever it may be.

Redpillers are exposed to these anti-perspectives when they're redpill and they don't disabuse the believers of the redpill. Every redpiller has seen the perspective that redpillers are just men who don't value women, objectify them, use pseudoscience, etc., and none of them disavow the redpill after hearing those perspectives. There is an important and significant difference between disavowing a philosophy and critiquing a philosophy. It is not the same thing, though it might appear as such on the surface. You're here to critique a philosophy, but these very critiques, redpillers have heard them all already.

your logic is, only ex addicts can help an addict stay sober. Only ex sex offenders can help people not commit sex crimes. . . Etc do you see how your logic hasn't yet recovered?

Half-bingo. This is a place for ex-redpillers. If there was a place for ex-meth users, then yeah, the opinions of a never-meth user aren't really going to hit much, because they can't relate. Sure, someone with experience with meth-users, like their siblings, parents, kids, friends, or maybe they're a drug counsellor or a social worker, or just very well-read on the topic, that's one thing... but it's another to know very little about meth-usage and addiction and come into a subreddit trying to advise people on how to quit. You could easily misguide them or set them off.

And the accurate comparison is not staying sober, it's helping them become sober in the first place. The people who we need to reach here are the people who are newly dubious about the redpill after believing it. If a sober subreddit was full of never-addicts who just gave advice like, "use your willpower bro", "stop thinking about alcohol", then that subreddit would be useless for addicts, because that type of advice only works for never-addicts.

Who do you think will have more effect on a kid thinking about joining a gang: an ex-gang member, or some wealthy banker who grew up in the burbs? How can the suburbanite even begin to relate to and understand that kid? He can't. He's never been in that kid's shoes. He doesn't even have the ability to guide the kid because he's never been on the same path and had a chance to reflect about the journey on that path.

If you had a friend who was say, a communist, or a libertarian, or whatever political belief you find detestable... would you rather have him listen to a speech from an ex-believer or someone who has always been on the other side? Who do you think has the possibility to effect your friend more?

What if there was a subreddit about ex-libertarians but it was flooded with people who never held libertarian beliefs in the first place? Then it won't resonate with people sitting on the fence.

Yes, the messenger matters. And their history with the subject matter matters. It has nothing to do with sex here, it has to do with being ex-redpill. And the fact that you admitted in your post that you learned about the philosophy of redpill from this very subreddit... not from actually being engaged with the current active redpill community.

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[–]tinyhermione 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

That is the proposed beginning of the decline in options..

But based on what? That's what I don't get. Where do they get these numbers? Thin air??

25 year old girls are young and pretty. Who can even tell if a girl is 25 or 22? Make two Tinder profiles Julie age 22 and Julie age 25. Put in a picture of a hot girl. Test it.

25 and 40 is a pretty big jump. Saying: 25, no, I meant 40, doesn't really make sense.

For what it's worth I've never gotten more attention from men than after I turned thirty. I expected something bad to happen, bc all women have heard this. But instead something good happened.

Thing is, men are simple. If you are beautiful and interesting, they don't give a fuck what your passport says. Why would they?

The idea of the wall is just an idea put out by men who are mad at women for sleeping with other men than them. So they want there to be some kind of punishment. There isn't.

Eventually everyone gets old, but men get older too. It's a big myth that young, pretty coeds want to date men twice their age. They don't want the guy who's an "old man" to them, they want the cool, hot guy they met at the toga party.

80% of married couples are 0-3 years apart. Most people will at any age have to date people in their own demographic. So if you are 45, you can't date teenagers, but you just date people your own age. It's not more complicated than that.

People do face a decline in dating options as they get older and more people their age are already in relationships. But this applies to both men and women.

And anyone who feels the need to make a YouTube video whining about their dating life, isn't really someone you should listen to. This applies to both men and women. Usually they are struggling and bitter for a reason.

Edit: the RedPill pushes two stories of how women will be punished for not sleeping with them: The Wall and the partner count thing. It's just fairytales though, bc the only ones who care about this are the RedPillers. And most women don't want to date them anyways, so it doesn't really affect them.

To say something more encouraging: many guys do better with dating in their late twenties compared to their early twenties. But that's bc they get more confident and gain social skills and life experience as they get older. It's not bc women think they'll go to bed 29 and wake up looking 90 years old.

[+]ArtemisMinion1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

First off people do not age overnight.. it slowly happens over years lol.. so at 27 they are still at their peak.. hypothetically, they are 5% less attractive by 28, 10 % by 29, 15% by 30, etc..

1) fertility rates.. by 30 90% of the eggs are gone and by 35 it is geriatric pregnancy.

2) beauty.. very free peoples would claim they were more attractive at 35 than they were at 22.

3) less baggage and trauma.. less broken hearts, kids, less crazy exs that might show up.

Etc..

it is not hard math.

4) The 3 year age difference is an average and guess who is the younger party in those?? The women.

It has nothing to do with women not sleeping with incels..

It is just that on average, women have the most potential suitors from 18-28 while men have the most potential suitors from 35-45.

It just flips as we get older.

It isn’t a bad thing.

Concerning the edit section: men are very much advised to wait until they are 30+ and more established to attempt to start a family.

If women wait till 30 to begin to entertain a family then they are in high risk pregnancy 5 min later.

[–]tinyhermione 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

1) Do you know what a geriatric pregnancy is? It's just that the mother is over 35. Most geriatric pregnancies run without any issues. Most women can have children till they are 40. Only 33% of women are infertile by 40, but by 45 most of them (87%) are.

Did you also know that male sperm quality and fertilitity decreases with age? "The idea that robust fertility for a man will continue well past a woman’s decline in fertility is untrue..., the age of the male partner also has significant impact on reproduction... increasing male age is associated with increased time to conception. This reflects the age-related increase in acquired medical conditions, decreases in semen quality, and increasing rates of DNA fragmentation seen in sperm. In addition, there is an association between age of the male partner and the incidence of birth defects and chromosomal abnormalities." - from the scientific article "Fertilitity and the Aging Male" Reviews in Urology, 2011.

Did you also know that 40% of men suffer from erectile dysfunction at 40?

This is a long way of saying: everyone ages. Women get older, men get older. That's life.

2) Very few people are more beautiful at 35 than at 22. This is the same for men. Both men and women get lines on their faces as they get older. Both men and women's bodies age. Biggest difference is that men often go bald, women don't. Which makes many men look older than the women their age.

3) Everyone has baggage. Most of the serious baggage people have are from childhood. Usually when people get older, they've sorted their baggage better. And baggage is also life experience. You are often wiser, more resilient and less dramatic as you get older.

If you think baggage is an age thing, why wouldn't men get more baggage as they get older?

It is just that on average, women have the most potential suitors from 18-28 while men have the most potential suitors from 35-45.

Men have the most potential suitors at 35-45? What? Make a dating profile as Bob, 45 and find a photo of an average looking 45 year old man. Test it.

This is the craziest thing I've heard in a long while. Trouble with the RedPill is that some people just throw out "facts" about the dating marked and since the people listening are very young and mostly haven't dated, they believe it.

The reality is: dating is easier in your twenties and thirties than in your forties, both for men and women. You look younger and there are more single people in your age group. There are also more single men in their thirties and forties than single women.

Attraction matters in dating for everyone. A guy looks less attractive at 30 than 25, and way less attractive at 40 than 30. Looks aren't the only thing that matters, but why would men get more potential partners as they start to look more middle-aged? That is just nonsensical.

There used to be bigger age gaps in dating, if you go back in time. That's because women didn't have their own careers and needed a man to be the provider. Today women have their own jobs and they choose partners they find sexually attractive. That has dramatically reduced the age gaps in relationships. Today most couples are the same age. 0 years of age difference is the most common, few couples have more than a 3 year age gap.

Bob 45 can settle down with Susie 42 and they can be happy. People can date at any age. But hot women in their twenties and thirties don't want to date Bob. They want to date men their own age and that's what they do.

I think a big thing you are missing, that's the cornerstone of dating: connection. People don't just fall in love because they find the other person attractive. They fall in love bc they think the other person is cute and the two of them click. That you speak the same language, have fun together, have similar interests and values. You don't have to be the exact same age to click, but it's way more likely if you are at a similar life stage. You'll just have more in common and understand each other better. But also you need to find the other person attractive. This is just way less likely if the other person is a lot older than you. And it's a bigger issue when it comes to women than men. Men are more sexually omnivores, women are sexually attracted to fewer people.

What do you think Julie 22 and Bob 45 will talk about? Do you think Julie 22 will think Bob 45 is cute?

Do you know many couples with age gaps? When you went to college, how old were the guys the girls were crushing on?

I wouldn't stress if I was single as a 30 year old man or woman. But I'd also not purposefully wait till I'm 30 to settle down as a man. That's just nonsensical.

Most of the men I know who are in happy relationships found their partners in their twenties. Some early thirties. They are all in relationships with women their own age.

I know some couples who met after 35. They are happy too. But they are also the same age. The woman I know who got divorced at 39, with three children? She got married to a doctor who's a few younger than her and she just had his baby. The guy I knew who's a successful CEO, fit, muscular and socially skilled? He met the love of his life at 42. She was 41. They both had children from previous marriages. They are happy too, they really clicked. The guy who was handsome, fit, successful, great game? Also married at 42. To a great woman who was also 42 and had two children. It's not that people can't find love in their thirties and forties. It's just that in real life they'll usually find love with people their own age.

The good things that can happen to men as they get older: you change as a person, you become more confident and get better social skills. However this requires you to put effort into actually being social. Joining hobbies and activities. Making new friends. Or you could change your look, work out more, dress better, eat healthier. And then it's about meeting someone you click with and every day is a new day to do that. If you've got an active social life. Some people are lucky and meet the right person early, some have to wait a while.

However, there isn't a power flip. Beautiful & interesting women are still beautiful and interesting in their thirties and forties. They won't be dating teenagers, but they'll be in demand by men around their own age, a bit younger and a bit older. If you as a man want your dating life to be different in your thirties from your twenties? You have to change something about yourself. Like for example become more socially active or gain better social skills. Women won't come running just because you look more middle-aged. And then if you get really rich, you can ofc get a sugar baby/trophy wife, but that's not a real relationship. That's just someone you pay to date you. Most people don't want that. They want a partner who desires them sexually.

[+]ArtemisMinion1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

First things like attraction and sexual orientation are lizard brain programmed in by biology, not cerebral cortex decisions.

Evolution works over 10s of thousands of generations not over a few decades like with cultural stuff.. so it comes from cave man days or before, not the 1960s forward.

Besides women don’t get to decide what men are attracted to IN GENERAL , just like men don’t get to decide what women are attracted to.

On average, Men are attracted to youth and beauty just like women are on average attracted to good protectors and providers.. I doubt seriously you would shame other women in to giving short out of shape bums a chance. Lol

1) geriatric pregnancy is the beginning of high risk pregnancy, when the risk of birth defects and other complications start to spike.

“A woman's peak reproductive years are between the late teens and late 20s. By age 30, fertility (the ability to get pregnant) starts to decline. This decline becomes more rapid once you reach your mid-30s. By 45, fertility has declined so much that getting pregnant naturally is unlikely for most women.”

Men and women do not have even remotely the same rapidity of decline in fertility..

“Unlike the early fertility decline seen in women, a man’s decrease in sperm characteristics occurs much later. Sperm quality deteriorates somewhat as men get older, but it generally does not become a problem before a man is in his 60s and 70s.”

There is only a slightly greater chance then of birth defects..

https://www.reproductivefacts.org/news-and-publications/patient-fact-sheets-and-booklets/documents/fact-sheets-and-info-booklets/age-and-fertility/

2) men place beauty higher on their list than women do, just like women place wealth and status far higher on their list than men do.. in general. There are always exceptions.

3) in general women are attracted to experience, while in general men are attracted to inexperience.

4) 45 is when a man’s options begin to decline again.. I think most men would agree they have the most options around 30. Once they are established and can actually support a family.

[–]tinyhermione 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

1) geriatric pregnancy is the beginning of high risk pregnancy, when the risk of birth defects and other complications start to spike

Spike isn't the right word. It's a very, very low risk getting a bit higher but still being very low. Like how if the chance of getting a falling brick in your head goes up a bit, you might not feel very concerned, bc it's not something that happens a lot anyways. Or if the chance of getting attached by a mountain lion goes up a bit, you still won't be very scared of being eaten by a mountain lion in suburbia.

Newest research does show that there is a decline in fertility and increased birth defects also for men over 40. As well as the whole ED thing.

2) men place beauty higher on their list than women do, just like women place wealth and status far higher on their list than men do.. in general. There are always exceptions.

Where do you have this from? If you look at women's behavior on Tinder for example, it's pretty clear that women and men care a lot about looks. And evolutionary it makes sense for women to seek out a man with good genes.

3) in general women are attracted to experience,

Where do you have this from? And what do you mean by it? This doesn't translate into "young women want middle-aged looking men"

4) 45 is when a man’s options begin to decline again..

Your ages keep changing.

And overall: you make a lot of assumptions about what women find attractive without being a woman.

I don't judge men for what they are attracted to. Go for it. I'm just saying in my experience as a young woman, we'd just giggle at the 40 year olds who thought they had a chance with us.

And in my experience as an "old woman" at 36? I don't feel like my age is an issue in dating. Could I have a serious relationship with a 19 year old boy? Nah. He'd think I was too old to be his girlfriend. But I'd also see that as unethical and unsustainable.

Like if Julie 22 and Bob 45 started dating too. I wouldn't bet on it to last. I'd expect her to grow up, become less naive, realize she could do better and move on. But you never know with people, there's no rule that works for everyone. However, I think if I was Bob 45 and cared about not ending up alone in the end, I wouldn't go for girls half my age.

If we look away from the teenage dating though, I feel my age isn't an issue for me. Men who are younger than me, my age and older do want a serious relationship with me. I don't feel dating has really changed much from when I was in my twenties. That's why I assume men don't care that much as long as they think you are pretty & fascinating. I'm just basing that on my experience dating as an "old woman".

And I just don't feel or observe that men no longer find me sexually attractive bc I'm too old. You know if people think you are cute or not. Men of all ages still do the thing where they get giddy around me, flirt with me, treat me like I'm adorable. I'd be sad if they stopped. And one day they will, bc everyone does get old. However, if it had already happened, I'd know. Teenagers still blush around me, men ask me on dates. Idk. In my experience with men, men just aren't very sexually picky. There is a bar for being cute & attractive. That bar isn't perfection. It's just being a above average looking and having a bit of a charm or a good personality.

Don't you think if men were running away from me and no longer found me attractive, I'd actually notice? And that they'd stop asking me out?

And then from my perspective I'd rather date someone my age or a bit younger, bc most men in their 40s just look terribly middle-aged to me and I don't find it sexually attractive. I wouldn't date someone a lot younger, bc we wouldn't click. But I'd go for slightly younger over slightly older any day.

Edit: I think grownups should stay away from the really young people, bc they are too easily manipulated. Like <25. But apart from that? People should just do what they want. If a 27 year old girl wants to date a 46 year old guy? Go for it, if it makes the both of them happy. I'm just saying most of the 27 year old girls won't be into it.

Edit 2: I think mostly it might be that the men I see as attractive and valuable partners do not want to date someone really young. That's just a perspective thing. Different people look for different things in a relationship. However, I find most of the men women really want to marry aren't looking to date much younger girls.

[+]ArtemisMinion1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

1) First off I do not buy for a second that most couples are within 12 months of each other.. the math against that would just be astronomical.. the average age of first marriages in the US is like 28 or 31 presently, I forget which. people are not getting married right out of high school anymore where that might make sense.. people are meeting in the workplace and such where being the same exact age would just be random chance.

2) women have always valued physical attraction less than men.. you here women say all the time about how they didn’t find him attractive, but he was funny, or smelled good or whatever else..

Look at celebrities for people who have wealth and status..

Unattractive male celebrities get super models while unattractive female celebrities get average looking guys.

Because it is mainly only broke regular guys who care about a woman’s wealth and status.

You have never once heard a man say that he found a woman unattractive until he smelled her perfume.

All you have to do is look at what would have been an advantage for both sexes during cave man days. Considering women did not have to worry about verifying paternity, but instead had to worry more about protecting and providing for their offspring during pregnancy and after they were born. While men only had to worry about who would produce healthy offspring, and it all lines up quite nicely.

It was an evolutionary advantage for men to use the buck shot effect and have kids with many random women and just hope some made it to adulthood, and/or put their resources into a few they knew were theirs.

While for women the kid is always theirs, but pregnancy is very risky, time consuming and takes a mountain of resources.

Thus in general women are far pickier with who they sleep with and are far less picky. (The buck shot effect vs picking the best single mate they can find).

3) Concerning experience and in experience…

Men had to worry about verifying paternity before DNA tests while women could judge how well a man took care of previous kids from relationships as evidence he would take care of any she had with him as well..

So men are turned off by promiscuity and kids from a previous relationship, while women tend not to be.

The more experienced a guy was the better the chance he would be a good provider.. the more experienced the woman was the better the chance it wouldn’t be his baby.. so one way it was an evolutionary advantage and the other way it wasn’t.

4) when ever there is an age gap it almost exclusively only goes one way.. older men and a younger woman.. whether the age gap is 3 years or 25. It almost exclusively only swings one direction.

That is not an accident or a random coincidence. It is because we don’t value all the same things in the same order.

[–]tinyhermione 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you misunderstand something about evolution. Does it play a part in sexual attraction? Yeah. But evolutions main effect on men's sexual attraction: they are sexually quite indiscriminate. The guy who goes "oh, I can see a faint line under your eye, now I can't get it up!"? He doesn't get a lot of ancestors.

The buck shot effect if you will, men find a lot of women physically attractive.

Women had a lot to gain by being sexually selective. Men mostly gained from being sexually unselective.

It's an adorable trait in men, in a way. Means they are quite forgiving and tend to think you look hot even on bad days.

For women it would make sense to be attracted to the best genetic material and the ones most capable to protect her against a bear or whatever. And that's the young, fit guys.

Then beyond sexual attraction, people form couples bc they fall in love. And what makes you fall in love with some people you find sexy, but not others? That's primarily how the two of you connect. Who you talk to easily, have fun with, laugh at the same things with, share values and interests with. The kind of person you can stay up all night just talking to. Which doesn't have to be an age thing. You can click with someone younger than you or older than you. But often that's much easier when you're in similar life stages, because you have more in common.

1) You forget people go to college and graduate school. That's also age based. If you marry at 28, you often met years before that.

2) The celebrity thing just shows that women are more willing to trade sex for money. And men are more willing to trade money for sex. The young girl with the old, rich husband? She doesn't desire him sexually. She's just bought and paid for.

3) They've actually studied it and it's quite gender equal. People prefer a partner that doesn't have too many or too few previous partners. Men are more forgiving when it comes to little experience than women, but they still prefer on average someone with some experience. Neither gender prefers a partner with a lot of previous sexual partners.

4) If you look at the age gap relationships, they go both ways. It's more common the man is older, but it's not uncommon that the woman is older. And overall the trend is: age gaps are getting smaller and age gap relationships where the woman is older are becoming more common. Which makes a lot of sense when you think about how we are now at an age when women don't need a man to provide for them anymore.

Edit: I think live and let live though. If people have a healthy relationship, they are both proper grownups and there is no controlling or abusive tendencies? And they are both happy together? I don't mind if a 27 year old and a 47 year old want to date. I just think it's a bit naive to think women don't care about looks or that most hot, young women do want to date middle-aged men. They don't.

Edit 2: Happy cake day though!

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You are bald faced lying…

And who is triggered with the personal attacks, defections and misrepresenting my post history?

You think I have bothered to check your post history?!?

There is no way someone can stop someone from raping them in the moment..

I have said that because women are the choosers in mate selection they could remove any unwanted trait from the gene pool by refusing to mate with those that have whatever unwanted trait..

Who would disagree with removing rapists, pedos and domestic violence perpetrators from the gene pool??

That is how mating selection pressures and evolution work.

Men don’t have the ability to do that, because men are not the choosers in mate selection.

Why don’t some birds have penis’s even though it is always an evolutionary advantage to other species??

Because female birds have to consent because they can just fly off and didn’t like them.

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