Lol, so apparently there are subreddits for everything down here :))

This is not a question for you guys or anything, I just want to write down some thoughts and conclusions that i came to regarding Social scene/Dating/Relationships etc.

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Let me make sure that people understands what my understanding of RedPill/BluePill/MGTOW is:

- Bluepill: Living in a partial or total lie. EG.: You are entitled to your girlfriend no matter what and she will love you unconditionally no matter how low you fall; This is not true for only love/relationships. It also applies to pretty much anything, religion, politics,economic system etc;

- Redpill: Questioning the system and beliefs and trying to find the partial or total truth. E.G.: Your girlfriend chose to be your SO because you have certain qualities that she looks for in a man. You need to "maintain" that mindset and qualities in order for her to be happy with you. If you fail, she might dump you. The viceversa is applicable for her too;

-MGTOW: Men that CHOOSE to stop looking for a life partner/SO for whatever reason they have. It does not matter the reason. That doesn't mean they do not date, create meaningful relationships, respect women etc. They Just stop looking for the "Love of his life" and " Happily ever after no matter what". I myself might choose to MGTOW in the future if i no longer want to continue looking for the woman i want to find. MGTOW is not about those haters that think all women are evil/manipulative/destroyers of worlds etc. Those are in my opinion shallow people who are unwilling to accept the truth and have developed a defense mechanism out of fear and immaturity. In my opinion MGTOW movement is eronately associated with them.

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So, during my early 20's like any naive male i thought that every man's single main objective in life is to work,marry, mate, make a bunch of kids and live "happily ever after". But curious in nature, I started looking for nuances and why and how and so on and so forth. And one day, maybe in my mid 20's I stopped. And asked myself "But why?". "Why everybody is marrying, having kids even if many people divorce in the end?"

And after years of research and meditation, contemplation and watching real life scenarios, i think i have a pretty good image and grasp about some things. This conclusions came before discovering the "RedPill", "Blue Pill", "MGTOW" movements.

- Some people marry for the right reasons, some marry for the wrong ones;

- Some people have kids for the right reasons, others for the wrong reasons. Other don't have kids at all;

- Many people idealise the idea of marriage because of social programming (Disney movies, peers etc.). But in truth marriage is not all rainbow and kittens;

- Many people make offsprings for stupid reasons (repair the relationship, it is expected of them) even if they do not realize the consequences of their actions and maybe not even trully desire that;

- Society makes you think the main objective of a man in life is to marry, mate and have kids. I understand this from an evolutionary standpoint, but as Homo Sapiens Sapiens we are not mindless apes and we can overwrite that thinking based on what favour us most as an individual. E.G.: Extreme example: Instinctualy maybe i would like to "force" any hot woman on the streets, but i prefer going on a date and treat her with respect so both of us can have a good time.

Main Conclusion: I would not marry because is expected of me, i am my main objective in life, I live for myself. If i find a woman who wants to live with me while accepting my rules ( and vice versa) , fine, if not, I don't really care, because others are not a bigger objective than myself;

Red Pill fanatics problem:

My opinion on the problem is that many Red Pill men are formerly blue pilled who thought women will unconditionally love them. And then reality hits and because of her, or him, or both, shit hits the fan and maybe after this scenario repeats itself 2-3-X times, they get fed up, a defense mechanism triggers, and they start thinking that all women are bad ,evil, inferior, manipulators, cannot truly love a man etc. That they are hypergamous (that is true, men should be like that as well, they are naive and stupid if they aren't) AND even after building a happy life with a man (let's give him an 8 mark) they will inevitably dump him and they will start goose chasing for a possible better man.

And they yell and shout all of those messages like it's the Holy Bible or something.

My opinion on this: You cannot prove that because you only get to know and date and LTR a infime percentage of women. I am not saying that all women are saints. I am aware that like men, there are bad women, low level women, evil and manipulator women. But i think there are also good, high level, and understanding women. And i cannot accept that a cerebral, high level person who knows how the game works and how to apply the rules, will inevitably at some point dump a good partner ( that means a partner that meets their needs and with whom they have a deep, meaningful relationship, more or less) no matter the factors. That is just shit crazy and edging lunacy. It's like me or her after 10 years of good relationship and positive outcomes one day a switch clicks, and we go rogue. I have a feeling that the real problem is a problem within the relationship, needs no longer get met, you aren't happy anymore and the inevitable happens.

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I've also read some posts in this subforum and i see much hate directioned against Red Pill.

I think (and hope) that the hatred is only against those fanatics mentioned above and you realize that some of the red pill mentality is actually true and beneficial for an individual. E.G. : A high level woman will not choose a beta male(loser) and will only LTR with a high level male that can meet their wants/needs. That also means to an extend that love for the sake of love is just bullshit and even true love is out of interest. And once the relationship is not beneficial anymore, your partner will leave the boat. Red pill truth. Face it. I did and it makes perfect sense, for me at least.

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This post would be pages long if i would write down all my findings and thoughts, therefore i stop here.

It's just a personal introspection, i do not expect answers but I do appreciate if you want to start constructive debates and such.

Also, i expect hate, i don't mind ( i am used with that from the other subreddits), i only want to add that English is not my native language and maybe my wording was not ideal. The ideas above were not out of hatred, just an objective and high level conclusions after many months and years of research and thinking.

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Thanks!