Open Mindedness

phellySL · 2020-09-13T21:11:44+00:00

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yomimaru · 2020-09-13T20:12:52+00:00

Tell me please, what kind of 'healing' can happen to an angry, bitter and resentful person in 'RP rage' mode?

Two_of_spades · 2020-09-13T21:29:21+00:00

RP teaches deceptive tactics to manipulate the other sex. In a real relationship both parties coexist with each other. The Yin and the Yang of Masculine and Feminine energy.

There is no foundation in control, there is only fear.

Grow together not alone.

Here is a great article debunking TRP

Edit; spelling

RedPillDetox · 2020-09-14T08:47:22+00:00

There's no such thing as "the further states of the red pill". It's a lie to try and make things like "anger phase" slide in the face of criticism by trying to somehow claim that "It's only temporary".

Red pill hates women and they are very right about it because it's perfectly normal to hate someone you view as shallow piece of shit who's out there to use you. Let's get real.

There's no "loving women for their nature". It's impossible to love someone like that. TRP makes you hate women and will always be like that. At worse this hate just becomes more "silent" but the hate is still there.

With this said, Kudos for you for actually being an open minded person who's willing to debate respectfully.

Comfortable_Intern57 · 2020-09-14T01:57:52+00:00

Where are the equivalent women's group for women who suffered abuse and death from the hands of men? Oh that's right, we don't have one because we know that all men aren't like that.

phellySL · 2020-09-13T21:09:42+00:00

I understand the feeling of anger, even women know what that is and we all get over it eventually. It's just the "defending a stupid cult because of muh sunk-cost fallacy" that I don't find very masculine.

zoemondo · 2020-09-14T03:17:43+00:00

Here's the thing, I'm totally on board with being supportive to guys who are angry and lonely.

Problem is that some of them come to this sub and pick fights with other redditors, using demeaning and insulting language. Especially to female redditors.

If they came here and asked for help, not all of it is going to be what they want to hear.

The other thing is that a lot of these young redpill guys have little to no dating experience, while plenty of the rest of us that visit this sub do. If these young guys are lonely and want sexual or romantic attention, they should listen to everyone to get different ideas on how to achieve such a goal.

Just playing devil's advocate here.

chofferblower · 2020-09-14T13:19:54+00:00

Hey dude !

First and foremost, thanks a lot for coming here and being civil ! Good talks go a long way in untangling messes so I’m super glad you’re here !

Second, thanks for linking the video, the guy speaks mostly the truth and really shows compassion, empathy and understanding. That’s the shit that makes the world go round and I love seeing that.

However, I nevertheless thinks that TRP is still not worth it overall as it is, and here is why.

I got to study the grieving process for my psychology degree, and witness a couple of cases of actually grieving people. You are right, most people getting to the manosphere are broken and vulnerable, society does an extremely bad job at recognising it and therefor, they have to fill the hole somehow. The grieving process effectively involves a period of rage, of spite which is arguably necessary, but let’s say it is. However, I think there is a fundamental difference between rage and hate.

An example that comes to my mind is the loss of a child. I saw many people falling back to spirituality and esotericism to cope. Rock solid atheists would start talking about the surviving of the soul, the different planes of existence, the thread of fate, you get the idea. However, somewhere around, there was something else : guilt, the feeling of having failed, of personal responsibility. And ultimately, this shard of responsibility grows bigger and bigger, turns into a feeling of agency, and marks the transition to next phase. Acceptance.

As a licensed therapist, it will be my job to respect people coping phase, but also be the catalyst of their transitioning to acceptance. That means that people will stop paying me at some point, because they won’t need me anymore. They might want to pay me drink but it won’t pay my rent.

TRPer in general, because they lack a code of ethics, and because their narratives enable them to through essentialist fatalism, can lock people into anger phase for a very long time, so they can keep racking the YouTube and book money. And this is tremendously dangerous. For every Soul you find, for every modern age black pastor type figure, you got 10 misogynistic white supremacist guru types hacking the healing process to make a quick buck out of the misery of brothers.

You are right, not every RPer is the same. Some are able to extract the self help and don’t turn into sociopaths. But many don’t, and that is still too much. Sisters are out there, getting dates with « faux woke » people that disrespect and assault them, based on a science that ultimately isn’t even true. We need a pill for those guys. But we don’t need a red one. We need a clear one.

deranged_berserker · 2020-09-14T18:25:46+00:00

You don't heal yourself by hurting or hating other people. Period. No discussion to have there. This post the stupidest nonsensical nonsense being knocked out here on a regular basis to try and make RP ideology relevant.

phellySL · 2020-09-15T12:36:52+00:00

Here’s another link to a video that shows the under-represented side of RP.

Hope you guys watch this and try to see what I’m trying to say & not simply dismiss it as “RP cult follower defending RP” ⬇️

Wholesome RP????

RichardBranson0 · 2020-09-14T01:25:39+00:00

I agree with what your saying. A lot of the critique towards the red pill community is not justified.
Monk mod and red pill rage is the beginning stage of ones journey.

A lot of people fail to realize the end result that red pill provides... and that has to do with self improvement.

A man being better with his physical health, his mental health, his finances, his social acumen, and career/entrepreneurship. And lastly how to navigate modern women.

The red pill improved my life for the better. You just have to understand like with any groups there are fringes and crazies. You have to put a critical eye on the person telling you the red pill info. Not all of it is useful for everyone or everyone’s situation.

For example, a 18 year old kid who got dumped from his girlfriend who watches a YouTube channel of a guy going through red pill rage after getting divorced rapped is not the best mentor for the guy. Look at multiple red pill channels, also look at feminism... look at all of it so you can come to a conclusion and informed decision.

Title	Open Mindedness
Author	phellySL
Upvotes	0
Comments	54
Date	September 13, 2020 8:08 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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