Something I noticed reading The Rational Male

thrownawaytodaysr · 2024-02-08T18:46:31+00:00

Confirmation bias is very easy to lapse into. When someone provides a framework that confirms and conforms to your existing worldview, it provides an alternative to deep introspection and needing to make real, substantive changes to your personality.

People really like easy answers and the easiest answers are the ones that provide you with a roadmap that doesn't require you to fundamentally change aspects of your internal sense of self. Because you're left to blame a system that has impeded you rather than any personal failings or flaws. The marketed self-improvement is almost only ever surface level and almost always catered to honing a misogynistic view of women in the aggregate.

I don't get this shit's appeal.

EmpathyFabrication · 2024-02-08T18:07:58+00:00

The problem with the RP arguments is that when you start digging into their premises, you uncover all this poorly thought out logic. It's also why a lot of RP principles have this facade of philosophical rhetoric. It makes them seem more legitimate, especially to someone who doesn't know how think critically about arguments. RP rhetoric actually has a lot of similarities with fascist rhetoric, especially those properties put forth in Eco's article Ur-Fascism. The enemy is simultaneously strong and weak, in the same way that RP argues that women are simultaneously desirable when they give alpha males sex and when they don't have sex with too many men. You aren't supposed to think about the logic of it. When you do, the argument falls flat.

Grouchy_Toe2404 · 2024-02-08T18:17:29+00:00

Logic isn't important. Their arguments are poor and only good enough to be repeated over and over to indoctrinate those who interact with the ideas.

PutsWomenOnPedestal · 2024-02-08T20:45:57+00:00

For me, the Red Pill treats sex & marriage as a transaction, not as a beautiful thing.

They are so full of themselves to believe that money is the only thing that makes a man a man. It isn’t. It’s your character & the impact you have on people. These men fully believe that marriage is buying a virgin woman, locking her away in a palace & pumping her full of babies while you go & act like your single is what love is. These men believe in buying your love instead of actually loving you, & it’s made me question whether or not they even feel love. They also believe a woman should emotionally detach from her man when he goes out cheating so she doesn’t “freak out.” And it pokes a huge hole in there logic about who is afraid to be alone, men or women. The answer is men. If women are the ones who are afraid to be alone, why is there a Male Loneliness Epidemic? If women are the ones afraid to be alone, why do men need multiple gf’s & wives? If women are afraid to be alone, why do men crave to have a family just to be “labeled” as a hero to them? Hmmm…

Not to mention the whole “training women” bull crap. If these so called High Value Men can get good women to be there partners, there wouldn’t be a need to train these women. Instead, these men don’t want to get married because they know what kind of woman they attract. All these men bring to the table is gold but then they get mad when the gold diggers find them. If they truly can attract good women then they wouldn’t fear divorce or government involved weddings. Instead, they do all this because they know the only kind of woman they can get is a gold digger, so they have to train her to not be one. They settle for what’s in front of them & foolishly put there wealth at risk instead of being selective. Meanwhile they have the personality of a wet blanket & the mental maturity of a child.

Not to mention the flat out hypocrisy. -They expect women to be virgins but will abandon a woman if she doesn’t put out by the third date -you have to be a natural beauty but they drool over women with body altering surgery -they complain about single mothers but have no problem creating them -they tell men not to get married because it’s a “trap” yet blow a gasket when women tell other women that. -they tell men it’s better to live a life of fast money, fast women & fast cars then putting down roots with a good woman. -they tell men to end there generational bloodlines with vasectomy’s which is an insult & dishonor to there male ancestors -they say there are no good women anymore but openly promote bikini models, OF women, & porn stars; contributing to the rise in sex work which inspires girls to become sex workers by seeing results in luxury.

In short, the Red Pill is nothing but frauds & has done nothing for men but teach them how to damage friendships, verbally abuse women & destroy there bloodlines for good.

DangerStarfish · 2024-02-14T12:35:12+00:00

The passages read like "I did 7 kind things, I'm sure I can trade that in for at least a blowjob, right?"

Although I view heterosexual relationships in as just a big ole transactional rigamarole, I know that there has to be at least an attraction on a primal level for both parties. In order for the sex to happen.

I feel those urges and desires for certain women and men. I just don't acknowledge or act on it. Because I view behaviors like, perving, Simping, gooning, swooning, oggling, or fawning over anybody as a shameful, disgusting, and ridiculous behavior. Unless it's using porn, or memories as a masturbatory aid... Then it's meh.. aight I guess...

jamarr81 · 2024-02-08T20:01:21+00:00

You more or less got it, but there are some things we can clarify.

... The only way it would work is if the woman is only into you and only "breaks the rules" with you...

In theory, yes. In practice, there is more nuance. This is called "genuine burning desire" if the woman is not conveying this to you by the 3rd date (or whatever subjective timeframe the RPer chooses as appropriate for his SMV). She has consciously (or subconsciously) put you into the discard or friend/backup zone. According to RP, you should withdraw time/effort from her; otherwise, you are exhibiting Beta-male behavior and fixating on a woman who will not be loyal to you in the long term.

... because you are "an alpha"...

You don't necessarily have to be "an alpha" for a woman to express "genuine burning desire" for you. Rather, being "an alpha" vastly increases the pool of women who will take you seriously and the probability of some of those women instinctively expressing "genuine burning desire" for you. It's subtle, but this distinction is important.

... and then cross fingers for you to take her seriously I guess and If you don't take her seriously then she is permanently damaged by you.

In theory, yes. In practice, it depends. A woman practicing serial monogamy (vs. promiscuity), i.e., seeking a partner for a long-term commitment, is not necessarily "permanently damaged" as long as their body count is "relatively low." Now, the exact "body count" for this threshold is a bit subjective; where some extreme RPers may insist on virginity, most tend to "prefer" single-digit numbers, although many will "settle" for less than 20-30 partners (more significant variances with increasing age, of course).

Anything more than this is typically categorized as "high risk" and not worth an HVM's attention/investment for a long-term commitment. However, given that she already has a promiscuous history, "have all the fun that you want, but keep her on the sidelines." A small subset of women are okay with this arrangement.

A totally sane way to view relationships and women. /s

Their perspective is that women should utilize the peek of their SMV in their youth to find an HVM that will commit to them long-term, thus avoiding the increasingly damaging side effects that "are statistically shown" to increase with the number of sexual partners. And that this produces the best long-term outcomes in society for both men and women.

If women squander their youth/SMV by seeking out thrills instead of commitments, they actively shame/scorn them. As they hit the wall, the HVM they were getting attention and sex from will gradually show less and less desire for that woman. As the psychological/emotional damages caused by that promiscuity ramps up, well, by now they are psychologically damaged and undesirable by most HVM, and they should have been taught better by their parents/culture.

Title	Something I noticed reading The Rational Male
Author	Brilliant_Program_39
Upvotes	35
Comments	37
Date	February 8, 2024 5:20 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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