Ukraine's draft dodgers facing shame for not being willing to die

a-man-from-earth · 2022-04-11T07:35:42+00:00

Paywalled. Please archive this article.

No_Cut6590 · 2022-04-11T10:54:56+00:00

Interestingly how they have to end the article with a woman who feels shame... The last bit of the article is always what sticks with the reader...they somehow want to act like it's a problem that men and women face equally but it's clearly not ..no women gets shamed for leaving since it's the normal thing to do within their gender roles, women get praised for doing that what men are forced and expected to do.

Mammoth_Salt_4509 · 2022-04-11T12:56:40+00:00

I cannot wrap my mind around this behaviour.

First of all, to shame someone because they want to escape a mortally dangerous situation is inhuman.

But, even if you are pro-draft, what's the reason for shaming the men only? Abled women with no children can help defending as much as men (and many of them chosed to do it).

I don't often use the term misandry, but I really cannot define this in any other way.

Man_of_culture_112 · 2022-04-11T07:30:47+00:00

Shoutout to Moldova.

ThunderClap448 · 2022-04-11T06:26:26+00:00

Here's a fucking disgusting thought - we haven't progressed one bit from 100 years ago, when Emmeline Parkhurst decided that men not being willing to throw away their lives was something to name and shame. It makes me fucking sick.

BeautifulTomatillo · 2022-04-11T08:55:50+00:00

So disgusting how women who fled the country are going online to harass that man. As if they are not perfectly capable of fighting.

eldred2 · 2022-04-11T22:10:37+00:00

Looks like the NYT is getting in on the shaming by calling then draft dodgers.

IGotDarkSoul · 2022-04-12T08:05:51+00:00

Hello. First of all, I just would like to say that I am very sorry about what's going on in Ukraine right now, it's a very sad and unjust situation that no person should ever be faced with. That being said...

I must address the subject of the "draft dodgers" that are being harassed and threatened and berated all over social media.

The fact that you are trying to hold men 18-60 hostage in a war zone is absolutely disgusting. They can't leave? But women and children can and it's fine? Why is it ok for women and children to flee, but not men? Are men not human beings? Sure, men are "protectors" in a traditional sense, but why take the risk when you can just go somewhere else? Patriotism is honestly mostly just bullshit. Our countries are dominated by the rich who don't even care about you.

You are not entitled to the sacrifice of a man's life, and no man should be made to feel guilty about valuing the only thing they have. Society isn't what it used to be, it's no longer worth fighting for! Men are completely taken for granted and just expected to sacrifice EVERYTHING; their time, their money, THEIR LIVES... for what? For YOU? Someone they don't even know? Someone who's never done anything for them? For a map? There are more important things than what a map says, and these men know that, that's why they are leaving! They are obviously not even appreciated in their own country, why would they fight for it? There is nothing to gain in war, "glory" is an illusion perpetuated by the elites to get you to do their bidding.

If you feel like a war needs to be fought then go ahead and fight it, but do not dare insult intelligent men for making intelligent choices. Fight the war yourself if it's so important to you. What these men do with their lives is none of your business. They want to LIVE, JUST LIKE YOU. You want them to sacrifice themselves so YOU can live. It's ridiculous, it's disgusting, and it's shameful. They owe you nothing, they are not disposable fodder to preserve your map, they are human beings with hopes, dreams, aspirations, and feelings.

They're not cowards, they are smart men who will survive to carry on, wherever they may end up. They all want the same thing as you. If they are "cowards" for wanting to live, then so are you. The hypocrisy is absolutely disgusting and sad. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A MAN'S SACRIFICE, if you want sacrifice you have your own life to give. So go ahead, be noble and die for your map if you are so compelled, but don't you dare try to shame intelligent people for making intelligent choices.

Again, I am very sorry that your country is being torn apart by war, but you need to learn how to respect the choices of other people. Nobody owes you anything, especially not the only thing they have.

Oh yeah, I'm conservative as fuck and nowhere near the left side of the spectrum. We're not all insane fuckwits.

Motanul_Negru · 2022-04-11T17:25:31+00:00

As much as we'd like to cherish the Ukrainians as the Good Guys^TM, they're not. They're just much better people than Putin and his wretched clique, which is... not impressive.

Ornery-Surround3491 · 2022-04-11T20:21:06+00:00

I'm not sympathetic towards the modeling guy sry not sry, he reminds of any other rich asshole throughtout the history shaming and encouraging poor men to die while fleeing. He's like the right wingers who are always like "masculinity brrrrr" shaming men for acting feminine while being the ones who are by far the least masculine men. Yes I'm talking about Ben Shapiro, he reminds me of him

Title	Ukraine's draft dodgers facing shame for not being willing to die
Author	ThunderClap448
Upvotes	128
Comments	58
Date	April 11, 2022 6:25 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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