MGTOW will win! It's inevitable!

[–]tower-rounder 116 points117 points118 points 6 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points46 points 6 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

[–]martynhare 85 points86 points87 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW is winning because the penny has just dropped that someone has to be responsible for all these fantastic rights to actually serve a functional purpose in practice. But there's no reason to want to.

The MSM can't subjugate us as long as they're left-leaning, it really is that simple. To try and subjugate us in their current state, they'd have to claim two mutually-exclusive stances:

That we are very right wing and traditionalist and simply upset that times have changed
That we are bad because we reject traditional values and rebel against social norms

With that said, the MSM doesn't have to do a thing, women could stop us but the solution is very ironic.

Women can easily stop MGTOW by doing what feminism actually promised in the first place, namely by:

Working an equal number of hours to earn an similar income alongside their partner
Paying joint costs equally, a complete split down the middle for all utilities and bills
Raising children for an equal number of hours alongside their partner (fair is fair)
Taking fair, equal joint responsibility for everything including potential liabilities
Agreeing to commit the same (equal) amount of money/time to joint ventures
Redefining the nuclear family so the partnership is the "head of the household"
Guaranteeing equal access to all law-abiding parents as a right, not a privilege

Women only find it impossible to stop us at the moment because they're not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to actually make good on what their own women's rights campaigners negotiated for them. MGTOW is succeeding precisely because feminists screwed the pooch by eliminating traditional roles for men and women without actually seeking the informed consent of the majority of women.

Of course, there's no going back now. We men can openly avoid almost all responsibilities we previously had in terms of supporting greater society. provided we can pay our own way, follow the law, survive until we're 25 and get along with our fellow man while doing so.

MGTOW also acts as a free-market adjustment that will ensure women have to work as hard as men to buy the products they want, which will reduce individual living costs over time while further expanding the economy. This is because two individuals will need more non-consumable goods like cars/houses/computers than a traditional family would in order to survive.

Modern feminists got played like a fiddle and the only way out is for them to "man up" - how ironic.

[–]TheLastMgtow24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Excellent comment. Let me just intervene and give my opinion.

I dont think women could stop mgtow with the suggestions you made. Even if they made them better than what you said.

And the reason is because... wait for it. Mgtow is more natural to men than we think.

Mgtow only feels unnatural to those that are highly intoxicated and indoctrinated by society.

It is utter nonsense to spend your whole life with one person. Only weak men, or men that are bored and dont have any purpose in life will see that as their only choice.

The inner will of a man is to be free and achieve. It is not necessarily reproductive, as it is for the women. But who knows what is happening nowadays with all the soy and hormones around.

We know that men are naturally inclined to mgtow. And always saw commitment as a sacrifice they did for religion and society.

I know this might not be the most pleasant perspective, because what im saying is that, there are no pacts between lions and simps. We are not simps and our nature is to be free even if women are unicorns.

Therefore, even if women do all that you said. The primal nature of men is to strive to be free, and never commit.

If you go bang 50 women, you are unlikely to want to commit to any of them. Marriage, monogamy and monotheism all come from scarcity of resources and space. Naturally men do not seek to form a family, but to have sex as much as they can. As you have abundance, you will naturally start focusing in achieving and developing yourself further, instead of forming a family as a coping mechanism or a desperate attempt in life to finding meaning and illusions of safety.

So mgtow. At least the real mgtow, cannot be defeated because it is natural, and superior to live this way.

Of course those mgtows that are only mgtow in name, but really they are incels that are just angry at the situation and want a woman, those would go back in the plantation easily. But those are not mgtows.

The idea that mgtows could be defeated by any action from women. Is the same as saying you can make vegans eat meat by making meat more tasty. Or that you can make a cured drug addicted that naturally feels at his best now, go back to a drug just because the drug is less harmful now. Or that you could make a buddhist monk become a materialistic consumer by just lowering the price of goods.

Mgtow cannot be defeated because its natural and its what men always wanted, to be free, and happy, and at best use women only for sex.

[–]gsharm8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]TheLastMgtow7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

The difference is that sex is a biological thing. All animals do it. I think it is great if you dont feel like doing it. But if you feel like doing it, and you restrain yourself, then thats also not good.

We know the dangers. But i tell you, and i know we are all different. My libido was and is still too high. What i think its not natural is commitment, sedentarism and monogamy. But its only my opinion.

But i understand your perspective, and i have been on both sides, so i know what is like to go monk for a long time, or be in ltrs, or just pump and dump. I wouldn't judge anyone, or dictate what is lower in dignity. Of course men that marry an excock carousel rider out of ignorance, lazyness or arrogance, i cant help it but judge them as weak. But even some men need to make mistakes to learn, some men only learn the hard way. For much that you tell them, they cant just take your word for it and risk regretting not seeing it for themselves.

Your own eyes, and your own experience are way safer to be sure of what is true or not. Im a mgtow, but i cant judge others, because i dont know if would be a mgtow, if i didnt see what i saw...Perhaps i would not be so sure. I dont know. It gives me this security in myself, knowing im doing what is best.

But as for the young men, who cant help it but think about sex, and it is not relationships or anything even close tha tthey seek. How can one judge them? In this case, i think the remedy of abstention is way worse than just doing what you want, because if they restrain themselves then they will just value more the object that is denied to them, and thats how they end up marrying later, because they are thirsty and will do whatever. In other words what gives women validation is not if you pump and dump them or not, but if you commit with them, obviously. If all men did exactly what our instincts call us to do. Without resorting to romanticism and other coping mechanisms, things would be better.

[–]martynhare 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Oh ho ho, now we have an interesting debate going! :-D

Marriage, monogamy and monotheism all come from scarcity of resources and space. Naturally men do not seek to form a family, but to have sex as much as they can. As you have abundance, you will naturally start focusing in achieving and developing yourself further, instead of forming a family as a coping mechanism or a desperate attempt in life to finding meaning and illusions of safety.

This is true, however, when women commit to their fair share and a man chooses to have a child with her, the penalty for abandonment actually works as intended. Not only does he lose the benefits gained through pooled resources, meaning he has to now work more hours than before, he's also stung with child maintenance.

If a man and a woman both work their fair share, they can each work a mere 24 hours per week and be better off than one person who works twice that if they're both educated to a similar standard and working to a similar standard in their chosen fields.

This means that a man who does not submit to a monogamous lifestyle creates artificial scarcity for himself in exchange for perceived freedom (we always have free will, regardless) and he also knowingly loses an extra 15% of his prime lifetime in the process, due to increased work hours needed to exercise his freedom. Think about that.

I know this might not be the most pleasant perspective, because what im saying is that, there are no pacts between lions and simps. We are not simps and our nature is to be free even if women are unicorns.

We already know a man who follows his polygamous nature and sleeps around now has to work twice as hard as one who does not in a society where women work their fair share. What does he get in return? Access to more moist holes? Sure. But they won't be very easy to find - at all.

Those single moist holes are also working twice as hard too, or they're taken and potentially risking having to work twice as hard like their single counterparts. For those who think "well, there's always going to be single women to bone", remember mother nature...

We already know women have a limited fertility period, after that they lose access to all the men who want to have children. They're also naturally going to become less sexually attractive and less aesthetically pleasing at a much earlier point in their lives (on average) than most men. However, in a society where women actually work their own fair share and are expected to, their time becomes even more limited as a good 25% of their prime lifetime each week is now spent in a workplace (when single) - while it isn't right now. This means they have less opportunity to find a partner in a much more restricted time frame.

This pressure forces them to be more loyal, as the stakes are far greater than before.

It is utter nonsense to spend your whole life with one person. Only weak men, or men that are bored and dont have any purpose in life will see that as their only choice.

So mgtow. At least the real mgtow, cannot be defeated because it is natural, and superior to live this way.

Mgtow only feels unnatural to those that are highly intoxicated and indoctrinated by society.

You're right about male nature. However, when the trade-offs make for a much more pleasant existence, enough people will take the easier life long-term - even if they don't at first. We know for a fact that women definitely want to, which will make them more 'understanding' of the needs of the 'untamed' men! If you combine that with a massive propaganda machine and social pressures to "do the right thing" then your average person will almost always take the easier option; limiting the scope for those who want to "think outside the box" very substantially.

Traditionalism kept men on the plantation prior to the feminist sexual revolution for a very long time this way; it was the allure of an easier life by having women perform very specific menial roles while guaranteeing sex at a low cost. Likewise, if feminism fulfilled its promise it would keep both men and women on the plantation by cutting their workloads down drastically, freeing them to spend more time doing the things they love and enjoying life. These changes would see an increased amount of freedom and autonomy for like-minded couples compared to single people - while also providing consensual access to sex.

This wouldn't stop all men from going their own way, as they could achieve the same benefits among friends. One would see a natural uptick in fraternities and sororities for those who don't want to shack up with a sexual partner. However, where MGTOW is objectively the best possible choice in almost all scenarios right now, fewer men would see it that way in the future, if feminism delivered on its original promises - though I doubt it ever will!

[Edit: Formatting/spacing/compliments]

[–]BitcoinBoffin1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]martynhare 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]TheLastMgtow1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh ho ho, now we have an interesting debate going! :-D

Ok man. Let the debate begin.

This means that a man who does not submit to a monogamous lifestyle creates artificial scarcity for himself in exchange for perceived freedom

This i didnt understand. Before you said this you also assumed men want to have a family and children even though you agreed that men are more happy single.

Before you even debunked my argument you made like 3 assumptions, and you were already talking about a very specific cultural context, in the west, with marriage and divorce law. I was talking about men in their nature. Of course if you have a law that says we torture all men that are single, then of course it is terrible to be single. You talked about invested resources and child maintenance. But thats ok, i can even accept that.

Lets continue.

If a man and a woman both work their fair share, they can each work a mere 24 hours per week and be better off than one person who works twice that if they're both educated to a similar standard and working to a similar standard in their chosen fields.

This is in the context of the current economy. So it is a bit of a non-argument. Commiting to a woman just because you can survive better or you are not that worse off, sounds like an horrible idea man. Id rather join a militia than living that way.

We already know a man who follows his polygamous nature and sleeps around now has to work twice as hard as one who does not in a society where women work their fair share. What does he get in return?

Where did you get this idea? You think because you work more you attract more women? That doesnt make any sense. Women are not attracted to workers. How many men are going around banging countless women without any effort? Id even say the most effort you would have to put is the gym, and even that sometimes does nothing by itself. And if you are talking about money, to get escorts and so on, then that would be an argument.

This pressure forces them to be more loyal, as the stakes are far greater than before.

I agreed with this paragraph until you said this. They dont have to be loyal, they only have to appear loyal. They are indeed starting to feel a bit more pressure because a lot of men are going mgtow (subconsciously, they might not even know what mgtow is). But that wont make them more loyal. That will just make them more invested in pretending. If thats what you are looking for you will have it.

If you combine that with a massive propaganda machine and social pressures to "do the right thing"

This paragraph, i agree 100%.

then your average person will almost always take the easier option;

But that is as a coping mechanism. As you well referred. There is a lot of pressure to do the right thing and be a cuck.

However, where MGTOW is objectively the best possible choice in almost all scenarios right now, fewer men would see it that way in the future, if feminism delivered on its original promises - though I doubt it ever will!

And this paragraph too. But i think only, that feminism not being natural is just a shit test by women who are now sitting on top a society built by the tradcucks. The nature of men is to go his own way, im referring to the primal men. Not the modern sedentarized, domesticated men. The primal men goes his own way, because he can walk away. And many times we did it. We walked away. We were mostly nomads and hunter gatherers, that is how we evolved. If a region started getting scarcer we would walk away. But right now, you cant. And women know you cant just walk away and build a prosper place again for yourself, which is ultimately what actually makes women submit.

Is when you leave them to their devices. And you say, this isnt right, so fuck this shit. Im going to some other place. And thats how you make them have accountability. By leaving them behind. Because you as a hunter, you can, not only survive, you were made to thrive on your own, or perhaps with a small group of men. But women are not the same thing and you know that. Mgtow is natural for men. Marriage and monogamy are degenerate coping mechanisms. Women are supposed to be begging you for your attention, and in the natural world they were starving without you. Anything that involves you working for someone else, and paying taxes, and maning up to sustain a family, when you were made to pump and dump mercilessly, makes you look weak in the eyes of the primal woman, in her instincts.

A lot of those that were supporting feminism were not aware of female nature. It is easy to judge them now, decades after, and with our internet. After many men killed themselves, and after another billion got burned, and all this knowledge is easily accessible. Its easy. But in those times, men believed women were inherently good. When nature must be savage to survive. And we men are savage too.

Men believed that equality and giving the right to choose to women, would make women choose the right men. They were entertained with other problems at that time, even in the 90s. Men fighting men. Men blaming men. Who would have thought that women are hypergamous. That women will destroy your society if you allow them, because societies and female nature are also biology in their essence.

Instead women given the situation will choose only the few top men. But also criminals. Violent men. Psychopaths. And all the other slaves that supported feminism are cucks and will only pay taxes and work for a life time, and their prize is: Marriage with these used up whores, that are the same that will collapse your society. And this is why i say that marriage is now immoral. Any man marrying now, has no selfrespect, and no empathy. He is doing it out of arrogance, ignorance or ego/hedonism, or he might be so lazy and so socially inept, he didnt even dare to look around him.

TLDR: Men in their essence were made to be free, and mgtow is the modern version of men reseting to their roots. Only this time we dont have a new continent to go to. Men thrive without women, it is a fact. Cohabitation ruins your health and turns you into a shadow of your former self, even if she is a unicorn. Men were made to be free, and they are stronger that way. But that doesnt mean you cant have sex. Sex is different than cohabitation and long term compromise. And Just because not eating sugar is healthier, it doesnt mean you must cut all sugar or you will die.

It is commitment that harms men. And it is not commitment that women want. Rather, and evolutionary speaking, there was no commitment. There was only, men thriving and being happy, and women doing anything to get just a small bit of their attention and resources. But there was never a law enforced sentence, or pacts between men and women that turned men weak and hold them from going their own way.

The horizon was always open, and women respect this. The power of men in a society is the same as the power of men in a relationship, it totally depends on their ability to walk away anytime, but thriving. Meaning you dont walk away because you got burned, there you lost already, you are supposed to stay free, and be on the move. And nature knows best, because actually, thats what women find attractive.

Good luck bro. I welcome your next reply.

[–]GenkiGlow1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]martynhare 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm loving this difference in perspective. I won't go through every line, or this thread would start balloon at an exponential rate. However, there's some gems in here that I still want to discuss:

This i didnt understand. Before you said this you also assumed men want to have a family and children even though you agreed that men are more happy single.

I still agree that men are more happy single but what we also know is that humanity is naturally tribal too and it's that instinct which created the extended family unit, villages, countries, civilisations and the bonds of old. We know that there's still a large enough pool of men who do want to have children, even with how terrible things are right now. That's a testament to how many more men would want to have kids of their own if things were less terrible. I'd call it a reasonable assumption that more men are willing to make a trade-off if there's guaranteed logistical benefits to it, rather than the questionable benefits and a high-risk of permanent, life-altering legal action we see today.

One doesn't have to stop all men going their own way to stop MGTOW, just stop the masses before the birth rates and general happiness indicators for future children spiral too much.

Of course if you have a law that says we torture all men that are single, then of course it is terrible to be single. You talked about invested resources and child maintenance. But thats ok, i can even accept that.

That's just an example of a western law working effectively when women do what they're meant to do as per the feminist mantra. In practice, men giving into their hard-wired polygamous nature do not need laws specifically designed to torture them to suffer from being single. The exact same benefits that single, empowered women and simp farming brings us MGTOW right now also works to our detriment when reversed. In a society where women work their fair share while partnered long term with men, prices of general goods would be much higher than they are now, penalising those who choose to remain single. They're not only working twice as hard but having to spend more of what they do earn, due to means-tested taxation policies - which are the norm across most of the world.

This is in the context of the current economy. So it is a bit of a non-argument. Commiting to a woman just because you can survive better or you are not that worse off, sounds like an horrible idea man. Id rather join a militia than living that way.

No need to go that far. Fraternities or communal accommodation among friends are a common alternative for people who want to derive all the same financial/survival benefits. One could also carry on living with one's own family, where everyone wins by default anyway. MGTOW would still have loads of options.

Where did you get this idea? You think because you work more you attract more women? That doesnt make any sense. Women are not attracted to workers. How many men are going around banging countless women without any effort?

I never said women were attracted to workers. When women realise they have to work, lest they become destitute in a society where most men simply wont look after them, unless they pull their own weight, women's priorities change. They will expect Chad and Tyrone to be earning just as much as they are in addition to providing what they already do, or they're simply not alpha enough.

Women will want what Christian Grey has to offer, not the simple cum and joke mine that is Ali G because they're now that much more picky! Why would they want to be with someone who's objectively not their equal, they all really want equality+more (without compromises) but are willing to settle for equality - nothing less. This means Chad/Tyrone now has to work much harder than ever before for moist holes because they have to meet a new lowest common denominator of being better than her. They'd better be dealing the finest drugs and never getting caught if they don't want to have to now also compete on beta bux home turf.

Why? Without tradcucks, your average unfaithful women will lose their guarantee of meal ticket - which is what created this mess. Sure, the odd 'lady in the red dress' will still be able to manipulate some men but when she hits the wall, she's lost all guarantees she had before. Women who thought they had it all have begun to realise that if they can't work like a man can, they're instead dependent upon them. That changes the rules, a lot.

I agreed with this paragraph until you said this. They dont have to be loyal, they only have to appear loyal. They are indeed starting to feel a bit more pressure because a lot of men are going mgtow (subconsciously, they might not even know what mgtow is). But that wont make them more loyal. That will just make them more invested in pretending. If thats what you are looking for you will have it.

That is true at first, I agree. However, they will only pretend until a few generations later when infidelity becomes an act which gets you shunned by your peers and becomes a symbol of permanent disgrace. This was historically the case because it resulted in men having to sell kids into slavery using surrogate families to raise them in exchange for free child labour - when that stopped happening, no-fault divorce seeped in. In the future, it will be because women won't want to be held indirectly responsible for messes other women make ("when I'm already working hard enough as it is" would be an oft used phrase, borrowed from men of old).

Right now, adultery is perfectly acceptable to a lot of people because "you go girl!" and half-arsed female empowerment movements designed around solipsism. One half of the population (women) have it good and can get away with it without any consequences because there's a massive line of tradcucks waiting to have their "dreams come true". That will soon come to an end. These infidels will then end up blaming men at first, until reality kicks in that no-one cares about them; then they'll all pretend to have changed, that they're different to how they were before (sound familiar?) and still people won't give them the time of day (men or women).

[–]martynhare 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

PArt 2 - I went over the maximum length of a comment!

TLDR: Men in their essence were made to be free, and mgtow is the modern version of men reseting to their roots. Only this time we dont have a new continent to go to. Men thrive without women, it is a fact. Cohabitation ruins your health and turns you into a shadow of your former self, even if she is a unicorn. Men were made to be free, and they are stronger that way. But that doesnt mean you cant have sex. Sex is different than cohabitation and long term compromise. And Just because not eating sugar is healthier, it doesnt mean you must cut all sugar or you will die.

We're not resetting per se. We're just opting out of a bad deal that we were tricked into believing aligned with our roots. Remember that humans evolved to be very tribalistic, not individualistic - men didn't hunt alone, they banded together to take down the best prey and take home better rewards. If women act quickly enough, they can socially construct their originally promised egalitarian social systems before the majority of men start to withdraw (from a society that currently shits all over them), leaving women to do all the hard work for less rewards than even the men were promised. Our biological needs as men are vastly simpler, so we will always have abundance relative to women who want to fulfill their own biological needs.

It's mother nature that will drive women to keep tempting us until we're given an offer we feel we can't refuse and that might involve sex becoming "just a pleasurable act" everyone does for friendship (like in a Brave New World) or that society places more value in joint relationships based upon child rearing instead. For example, mothers and fathers could be encouraged by society to live together while having sex with anyone else they like, doing their equal share of work and child rearing - with legal penalties for child abandonment instead.

However, my bet is on women seeking out pooled resources and offering not only sex but an equal/fair contribution with men offering the same deal in return as a first resort and the majority of men accepting it as a fair and honest deal - as their feminist overlords taught them as children. That is what would stop MGTOW in the long run, things being "good enough" just like in peak trad era.

It is commitment that harms men. And it is not commitment that women want. Rather, and evolutionary speaking, there was no commitment. There was only, men thriving and being happy, and women doing anything to get just a small bit of their attention and resources

Now women can have all the resources they want by working specialised jobs that require a limited knowledge base and limited physical prowess to fulfill, relative to historical survival strategies. So the only purpose for a long-term live-in relationship for both men and women is to procreate and to pool resources for increased survival. This changes the rules of the game quite a bit when all the cucks die out (and with single motherhood on the rise, that will happen faster than you think).

Also, under this "new deal" so to speak, men wouldn't be giving commitment as much as they'd be transferring it. Fewer hours committed to working a job (many hate their jobs) in exchange for more hours committed to someone they love as part of a mutual partnership dedicated to helping the other succeed in life. The result would be no better or worse than remaining single for a lot of people.

Feminism has spread the legend of the woman who doesn't need the attention of men to obtain resources. Both men and women are propagandised from a young age into believing it. This creates a direct contrast between artificial societal expectations and ones natural base instincts. In that sense, feminism becomes the new replacement for religion, serving the same purpose of forcing people to go against their own hard-wired instincts for a perceived 'greater good'. Religion worked pretty well historically, all things considered. Given the greater effectiveness of modern media propaganda machines vs. that of the books and preachers of old - I suspect this would be even more effective.

[–]TheLastMgtow0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

humanity is naturally tribal too and it's that instinct which created the extended family unit, villages, countries, civilisations

I dont agree. And i will tell exactly why. Its hard to explain, so i hope this doesnt go too long. Civilization is a coping mechanism. Although its obvious tech and gadgets are great, they were created first as solutions to problems. And those solutions create even more problems, and then we need more solutions. As we do this, we keep booming, and creating more problems.

In all the plentyful places on earth, such as Africa, Native North America, and Europe in general. Civilization was not created there. But arrived through trade or conquest.

The northern and central Europeans were hunter gatherers for a long time. Except for the southern greeks.

Agriculture arrived in Europe through trade and conquest. Because European lands were too rich, and European numbers were so low, that the "tribes" could live off the herds and wild animals. Just like in north America - until the exploration age put an end to that.

You assume men are the ones that want to reproduce. I tell you again. It is women that trap men. Men want to thrive, and develop. It is women that always reproduce no matter if they live in a shithole and have no conditions. Because female survival instinct is reproduction, while the male is different. Men are from Mars, women are from Venus. Mars is the God of war and action, Venus is the God of reproduction.

Civilization developed as a coping mechanism. Relationships and marriage are also coping mechanisms. You might not like this concept but its true.

We have evidence that there was no scarcity of food during the paleolithic.

Humans thrived from hunting alone. And they could choose which animal to hunt and eat.

Agriculture is a coping mechanism for overhunting and desertification, thats why it developed in arid regions like the middle east. And thats why they created cities. And when shit gets crazy, women will just pop out more babies. We keep booming.

Here, some more insight on that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/crqac9/agent_smith_has_point/exacr0p?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

You can defend civilization in another way, if it actually worked for the average man. It did not. Most men were enslaved and hurted in this system, and you are one of them. Just because pyramids were built, it doesnt mean that those building them that were the majority of the population were not sacrificed for it, and you are that dude eating grain and whipped to build it, it is not worth it to have them, and worship these gadgets if they come at the expense of going over morality and destroy ourselves. And if you dont agree with me, then i guess you should be the first to taste what is like to go to the gulag. In no way should men defend civilizational advances based on male disposability, but only wish it upon the others, no themselves. In other words, tradcucks want men taxed, but they dont want themselves taxed or enslaved, they always believe its the other sucker that will get screwed. And then go pikachu face, when they see how karma works.

In practice, men giving into their hard-wired polygamous nature do not need laws specifically designed to torture them to suffer from being single.

Nonsense. Men thrive being single. It is society that brainwash men to feel incomplete and like they are missing out for not having 1 woman. In the wild that does not happen. Its a societal mental illness. Men were made to be alone or polygamous, but never stuck with a woman. Men that were adopted by wolves and lions, thrived anyways, and had no feelings of anxiety towards not having a woman in their lives. While there is an argument to need companionship, that is mostly toxic when it comes from 1 woman, that quickly becomes a problem, because the men starts living like a drug addict, and the woman resents him too, because he is not longer free.

In a society where women work their fair share while partnered long term with men, prices of general goods would be much higher than they are now, penalising those who choose to remain single.

Women are not partnered long term with men now, and goods and services are not only lowering quality but the prices are sky rocketing. On the contrary. It is always benefitial for men to remain single, in any circumstances, unless the government enforces bachelor laws like they did in Rome. Those who remain single always have an advantage over those that are hooked, no different than sedentary degenerate civilizations vs strong conquering barbarians. Of course for the weakest of men, maybe he benefits from being a cuck, because he has no purpose anyways. But the successful man, or even the average man, will thrive alone, because he can easily outperform the other and he will be in a position where he can do more with less. So even now, with the goods more expensive, men are better off alone and paying for their own shit, than having a wife holding them back, where they eventually become more materialistic and consume more.

unless they pull their own weight, women's priorities change. They will expect Chad and Tyrone to be earning just as much as they are in addition to providing what they already do, or they're simply not alpha enough.

Correct, their priorities change. But they dont expect Chad and Tyrone to earn anything. They just implement dual mating strategy. They only expect Chad and Tyrone to bang them and treat them like shit. Thats where they get the emotions and the drama they love. And then they need the beta who they can abuse, and unleash all their nastyness, and also make him pay if needed. See money isnt even a problem to women anymore, because they have the state. What is mind boggling is that women need a beta to punch, and a Tyrone to punch themselves, even if they have all the money. And they are very angry because, Chads and Tyrones no longer get betasized, they are redpilled and wont settle, and beta men are also waking up. So what modern women are really angry about, is that tradcuck times are over, and they cant find a man, even though they got everything even money and jobs from the state.

So if you want to marry, and you hamster that you need a woman in your life, or that somehow makes the life of a man better, you are definitely on the same bag as cucks and beta men from the perspective of women. And nothing can take you out of there, unless realizing you are way better and more happy alone. But this sometimes its impossible to understand to some men, thats why nature is the way it is, and thats why women dont respect and abuse these men. Women dont even demand commitment from Chad and Tyrone, they are happy with the alpha fucks only.

This means Chad/Tyrone now has to work much harder than ever before for moist holes

This is new to me. So i dont agree. I didnt see this happening. All i see is women going for criminals even exconvicts that are even in debt. Chads and Tyrones dont need to work, or give their money to women. I dated women that paid everything to me. Food, clothes, accomodation. Even tried to get me jobs. While other suckers were paying them stuff. Sorry man i cant agree with what you are saying there, because even if it is true in some rare cases, i know from personal experience it is not true.

Without tradcucks, your average unfaithful women will lose their guarantee of meal ticket - which is what created this mess

No man. Without the tradcucks, we wouldnt even be in this situation. Tradcucks and whiteknights are the ones the enabled women. If women lose the guarantee for their meal ticket they will quickly become submissive to men. But because society started feminism while providing and defending muh womenz, then they can have the cake and eat it too. If we stop whiteknighting and providing for women, feminism ends today. But that wont happen, because tradcucks are too afraid of any collapse situation, or that women suffer. It is all fear, and love for comfort and security instead of true liberty. And true liberty sometimes only comes through sacrifice. But sacrifice for women, and responsability without authority is slavery and submission.

infidelity becomes an act which gets you shunned by your peers and becomes a symbol of permanent disgrace.

Infidelity only started being shamed to protect women. Because if infidelity is not shamed, then men dont marry and dont provide. If men dont marry and dont provide, women are fucked. Civilization, society, politics and religion all three of them were created to provide women more resources and security at the expense of the 90% of men, who will hand over their freedom.

Im not an anarchist and there is a solution. But the solution is too complicated, and would take too much time. And time is something we do not have. And both women, tradcucks and the average men wont listen.

As it is written in the bible and in the quran. In the end of times, men will speak, but nobody will listen. And there is no other solution than the full wrath of God falling upon Babylon, for good. So basically from oral tradition, in religion, we know, that only the collapse can fix the situation. Because if you keep being a captain save a hoe for society, then the spiral of mistakes will keep happening and nobody learns and everyone buries their head in the sand. And that my friend is enabled by tradcucks who are too addicted to society, are too afraid, and have no balls.

Everything in your comment that i did not comment. Its because i fully agree.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]basedmillennial953 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]gsharm0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Grant14120 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is ironic. But you know, I didn't mind keeping a woman. I was happy to provide for her and let her stay home or spend time with her friends while I slaved away at work. That wasn't a problem. The problem was "the lie".

You know "the lie". The one about her appreciating you for having her in your life.

I didn't care about help paying the bills. I didn't care about not having mind expanding conversations.

I just wanted open arms waiting for me when I stumbled in through the door after a hard day at work. I just wanted to be appreciated.

And I believed that the way she appeared to feel about me when we met, the passion we seemed to have for each other, was real. I thought her attraction towards me back then, was indicative to how we were going to go through life together. I committed to that, it was a big decision for me. I thought she had made the same commitment.

But no woman will ever appreciate what a man does to be with her, what he sacrifices for that.

There is no stopping MGTOW. Not now that the truth is known.

[–]cryptomoonlanding28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]Ivetakenthepill10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Sir_manalot5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]RICHIESCO121 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]nickaaster3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]BaffyBob17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]FSA-Got-Aleppo2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FutureSquall1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]basedmillennial953 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]novhaku0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Already done, just labelled as incels instead, and remember that for a lot of these retards the two are synonymous despite the two having nothing to do with each other.

The problem is that with the way our current society works, they're creating people not seeing the point of relationships (even BP/PP still in relationships and being thirsty but that understand why some people would think that it's a waste a time, as long as it's not into a woman's hearing range; thank feminism for imprinting this idea in everyone's head, the difference being that mgtow is serious about it while feminism is hypocritical about it and only applies it as long as the CC is available) way faster than they can effectively shame them in a meaningful way (not to mention that if you GYOW you dgaf about shaming anyway). And enforcing this too much might actually be counter-productive for the system instead.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]novhaku0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]novhaku1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]TheLastMgtow8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

All civilizations tried to subjugate mgtow. The problem is that, once it starts there is nothing that can make men go back in the plantation. You have to be very naive to that the mgtow mentality is not being fought in every political front today, as the biggest threat to the system.

The best strategy that always worked, is to divide and conquer. And as you can see they are holding. Men are divided, fighting each other.

Even if they have to push in migrants. Even if they have to make our societies go christian or muslim again, even if they have to cause a civil war and make us forget again we could be free, because by then we have to fight each other for our own survival. Everything and anything but mgtow. Because women is their religion.

Make no mistake this is what sparked figures like Muhammad and Christ. Mgtow is unstoppable because its basically men reseting back to their natural state to be free and walk away as we did many times. Its biological. What is not natural is sedentarization and long term monogamy. And that is the most important thing a man must realize in his life, that is great to be alone.

So the more you do to punish mgtow, the more men go mgtow.

If you fight mgtow, it grows exponentially. If you ignore it, it still grows anyways.

No civilization was able to get back above 2.0 birthrate.

Mgtow is a death setence to all tyrannic societies. Its non-negotiable. Even if some mgtows at some point are willing to go back to the plantation, most have learned by then.

The coping mechanism of society is more entertainment and materialism. They try to punish men with taxes and shaming. At some point things get so shitty men go full pop corn. Even the ones that are not mgtow.

Thats what happened in the Roman Empire.

Imagine a huge empire with millions of people, and many overcrowded cities. And you cannot find native romans loyal enough to serve in your legions. You have to hire mercenaries, foederatti, to fight your wars.

You know that at that point if you arm your own male population, you might as well just kill yourself. So many were the emperors that were assassinated, and the civil wars the happened in the last 2 centuries of the debauchery the Roman Empire became.

Yet, humanity never learns the lesson. Perhaps now that we have technology, we can instead of having a collapse, we might have chance at understanding the problem. In the past there were no cameras, we only had religion to record oral traditions of past mistakes. Perhaps now, they will learn to leave men alone, and let men be free, or die again.

[–]breakingthebarriers0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]TheLastMgtow0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]RICHIESCO121 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]p3p3_sylvia2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]SamsAdvice1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]da_kochevnik0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[+][deleted] 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[removed]

[–]GrisBosque28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yup! we are a threat to their paradigm. And they create more of us 24/7...

Nor can they fathom why we could possibly even consider not wanting to support their shit, nor that our desire is basically to be left alone.

The good news is that no matter what they try, it will only cause us to move farther away from them and their weak minded minions.

Always stay ahead of the curve guys, always be three steps ahead of all nasty potentials.

Be Prepared...

Be already in motion. Never become complacent. Always avoid extremes and excesses, always keep absolute mobility for a backup.

Minimalism is incredibly powerful. And the only true security is mobility combined with adaptability.

Always avoid the ego trap. Humility is a potential life saver.

Hone your skills... learn as much as you can. be ready for things to become much worse on every front.

Learn to appreciate simplicity.

[–]bansheeman2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]GrisBosque1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]bansheeman1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]GrisBosque1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]bansheeman1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]GrisBosque1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]RealBiggly27 points28 points29 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]novhaku5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]hrm08942 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]FalsePositiveRethink2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]GoingCamaro 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Deleted_By_FBI13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Fantoche_Dreemurr10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Awokeeleven9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]hrm08941 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]Awokeeleven1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]ncarolina665 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]MovieReviewMgtow2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]panzerbier1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]theoracleofosiris3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]edgysecularist1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Cizzar2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Ksa4442 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]chtrchtr_pussyeater1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]kayfab2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]LazarusTruth1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]SlowJellyfish18 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]basedmillennial959 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]MovieReviewMgtow2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]FalsePositiveRethink1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]panzerbier0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]IrascibleTruth1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]GimmeDaScoobySnacks1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]some1thing11 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]novhaku0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Darth_Horseman0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]The0neThatDisappears1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]ancientalien9991 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Masterbro1993-3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]novhaku5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[+][deleted] -13 points-12 points-11 points 6 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]bansheeman10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]bansheeman5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]bansheeman3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]greyman04255 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW will win! It's inevitable!

Comments

MGTOW is a PERSONAL strategy. There is no wider contest to be won or lost!

Title	MGTOW will win! It's inevitable!
Author	Adamjensen2030
Upvotes	461
Comments	95
Date	August 19, 2019 1:59 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/cshgjt/mgtow_will_win_its_inevitable/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/mgtow-will-win-its-inevitable.408545 https://theredarchive.com/post/408545