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A Crazed Academic Weaponized Title IX Against a Rival Professor Whose Job He Wanted - Note victims are lesbian couple

Arthuyo

March 21, 2020
67 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://reason.com/2020/03/18/title-ix-arizona-state-university-viren-tecedor/
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Title A Crazed Academic Weaponized Title IX Against a Rival Professor Whose Job He Wanted - Note victims are lesbian couple
Author

Arthuyo

Upvotes 67
Comments 24
Date March 21, 2020 9:28 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/fmn2cy/a_crazed_academic_weaponized_title_ix_against_a/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/a-crazed-academic-weaponized-title-ix-against-a.856497
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Comments

[–]thenotoriouscpc 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

People proven to file false reports with malicious intent need to have it blow back on them otherwise it’ll keep happening

A false report that’s an actual mistake I get. That’s why I’m saying prove it was malicious intent. But seriously we see this all the time with rape cases and things of sexual nature. Not to mention high profile cases like jussie smullet. Like seriously. These things need to blow back in people or else innocent people will continue to be hurt by the justice department

[–]Arthuyo[S] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly! The way this guy didn't even get outed is bullshit

[–]thenotoriouscpc 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I gotta he honest if a coworker of mine ever did that I would refuse to speak with them again and make it known not that I wish anything Ill to them, just that I have no intention of working with them due to their lack of commitment to conducting themselves in an ethical and supportive way to their coworkers. I wouldn’t want the way they conduct themselves in their career to reflect on me and my career

I think others would understand. And anyone who knew the situation would probably think it’s reasonable and take a similar approach

[–]NotherThrowaway284 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Title IX already was weaponized. All he really did here was to turn the tables (very unscrupulously).

[–]Arthuyo[S] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I read some theory on this, basically Title IX didn't need to be weaponized because it was created as a weapon from the beginning (and then the Obama administration turbo charged it).

[–]NotherThrowaway284 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, that's exactly how it happened.

[–]Arthuyo[S] 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

An interesting thing here is the victims are a married lesbian couple. But this shows how title IX can be used. A large majority of its victims are men, but this really is a broad issue that affects all Americans directly and indirectly.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Question: given that the massive majority of Title IX claims are women using it against men, what made you decide to pull this rare outlier out and throw it up in here? The fact these outliers exist doesn't really change the overall trending, does it?

[–]Arthuyo[S] 16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Because it's interesting, because the whole us versus them is counterproductive. Because i wanted to.

[–]random_tripper_ 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's a great way to highlight how abuse of systems is really not as gendered as people tend to make it. I think it really helps the dialogue go further when you open by recognizing that all genders can be victims. I saw a piece recently on MensLib that said MRAs take the stance that they are the "real victims". No, we just say that men can be victims too, and for some reason that means we are misogynistic and a hate group.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, all genders could be victims of this legislation, but overwhelmingly, it's men getting the short end of the stick on this one. To me, this post is partially an attempt to deflect from that reality.

[–]Metraxis 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, it does. One problem men have in getting their issues handled is an empathy gap. If something can be shown to happen to women, especially women with ancillary oppression points, people who otherwise would not care can suddenly become invested. If the Title IX process gets reformed and gets real diue process because two women suffered instead of the hundreds of men railroaded through the process, then the process still gets reformed.

[–]Mens-Advocate 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

/u/Arthuyo doesn't deserve a hard time. In fact, this post highlights interesting principles:

  • Much of anti-male legislation and social practices is stated in neutral terms but is still anti-male.
  • Occasionally, those neutral terms are actually applied to females - the female nailed by Title IX or by mandatory DV arrest laws, for example.
  • We can learn from OP's example by following a two-track approach: Simultaneously, we can object to anti-male laws in the first place, and we can also insist such laws, if enacted, should be applied equally to women.

Reason.com would seem to have a natural inclination towards our side (due to distrust of government), but in actuality its articles are variable. Still, its skepticism is often refreshing:

https://reason.com/2017/06/15/hysteria-over-date-rape-drugs/
https://reason.com/2015/08/31/false-data-fuels-the-campus-rape-crisis/
https://reason.com/2017/07/05/are-due-process-demands-just-rape-cultur/

Advocacy for due process protections is not a form of victim-blaming propaganda—it is a core tenet of the American legal system.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And yet the question remains:

Why did he not post any of the hundreds of examples of male students being exposed to this legislation and its abuse, and rather consciously chose to go for the outlier? This is men's rights, not gay rights, or women's rights ... right?

Either he's got a raging case of Base Rate Fallacy, and he's ignoring the vastly more prevalent trend in favour of this specific case that's the outlier, or he posted it specifically to play at exceptionalism, as an 'Ah HAH!', in order to lecture people on being open to the exceptions, probably because he thinks we need the lecture or correction.

So, he's either biased or prejudicial. That these laws occasionally unfairly punish someone other than men isn't a revelation. It's a banality that laws are not universally monolithic in application. We didn't, and don't, need the lecture.

[–]Mens-Advocate 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Either he's got a raging case of Base Rate Fallacy, and he's ignoring the vastly more prevalent trend in favour of this specific case that's the outlier, or he posted it specifically to play at exceptionalism, as an 'Ah HAH!', in order to lecture people on being open to the exceptions, probably because he thinks we need the lecture or correction.

"Base Rate Fallacy" is a great term. But you're being too hard on OP. I took his post as simply an example that intrusive legislation can on occasion be turned against females.

That suggests we may have more success challenging such (abuse of) legislation by arguing it governance over-reach. As well, our gynocentric society may well pay more heed to the argument that the legislation is defective when we show women also get hurt.

[–]Arthuyo[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are so way over analyzing this.

[–]mgtowolf 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think the only way it's gonna get tossed out is if men start abusing the shit out of it like women have been lol

[–]Arthuyo[S] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It really is an interesting thought experiment, have drunken sex, turn sex partner in for taking advantage of you because you don't remember what happened well. "I woke up the next morning and my dick smelled like pussy, and I don't remember her asking for consent, so here's my title IX complaint". As I understand it that is a valid complaint.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

”...but the emails were authored under fake names, and it was thus extremely exhausting for them to prove their innocence.”

Oh well. If only we had something called “innocent until proven guilty” you wouldn’t of had to go to all that bother.

”The email accusations were incredible from the start, but the university insisted on proceeding as if they were real—indeed, the university felt obligated under federal law to take the matter seriously.”

Yes, it’s a little thing called “Believe every woman”. Enjoying it now?

[–]drmode2000 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They only care because they are lesbians. Men face this everyday. But no one cares. If you are a guy in college, stick to Pornhub and date women outside the US or U.K.

[–]PlatinumBeetle 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Better: find out what she thinks of men's rights with regard to sex and it's consequences before sleeping with her, and that you can trust her on it. Yeah, you won't get to have casual sex or rely on chemistry but you can still date US/UK women. You just need to screen them for basic decency and make sure they're safe to be in a relationship.

[–]Sewblon 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I nodded. I knew that universities could lose federal funding if they didn't show they were protecting students, and I was glad — I am glad — for that. But I was still confused. Melanie continued. "If we find out that — and Marta asked the question — if we find out that the information is false, for our purposes that's not really our end goal; we're just trying to determine whether or not there's a policy violation."

For some reason the law doesn't consider "protecting students" to extend to giving them a chance to defend themselves against accusations that could destroy their careers. We actually do know how to do that, make them aware of the charges made against them, and who made them, give them the right to cross-examine witnesses against them, call witnesses on their own behalf, and consult with lawyers. But we don't do that for some reason. I understand the idea that being cross-examined by your rapist could be traumatic. But that is why you have a lawyer do the cross-examination, like in regular courts.

[–]Arthuyo[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Due process is so important.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No such thing as a false accusation.

Listen and believe.

He's a survivor

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