Are Men now the Second Sex?

Geani10 · 2021-11-18T13:05:27+00:00

Yes. That's on point, but this also depends on which part of the world you live in. This is available in the US and maybe some western contries in Europe, but in the eastern part of Europe, I don't think it's the case. But I can see this feminist wave coming also in some eastern european countries in the next coming years.

mistralol · 2021-11-18T14:29:58+00:00

> They weren't allowed to vote, were pressured not to work and to have children instead.

Most men also could not vote in 1800 you still had to be a property owned. This didn't change until 1828 in the US. It took even longer in UK which was 1918 which is also when women were permitted to vote.

This is basically one of the greatest lies ever. Its only in the last 150-200 years at best people have had this right at all. What happened for the previous 5000?

Also consider for a moment the way the system is setup. What rights do you have to vote for? A list of pre approved people? Is this really a vote? Does voting even make a difference?

falante788 · 2021-11-18T13:28:18+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ouklrg/we_need_to_make_a_list_of_womens_history_myths/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

goodfoobar · 2021-11-18T15:14:11+00:00

Historically there were two legal status for women. Fem Sole and Fem Covert. Under Fem Sole women were legally in the same situation as men. A woman became Fem Covert after marriage. Legal actions and debts responsibilities fell to the husband under Fen Covert. Read about a case where a wealthy woman kept control of her land through a prenup and when she stopped paying property taxes the poor husband went to debtors prison.

redpills1 · 2021-11-18T17:11:38+00:00

You are wrong about women in the past, this is just a myth that is based on the feminist's gynocentric POV.

In the past most men couldn't vote even in a democracy and there were prerequisites for being able to vote like owning lands. In the past raising a family wasn't as easy as it is today, when a couple had children the father had to work a lot to provide for the family and someone had to be with the children and do house chores, its not like medieval peasants could send the children to a school or kindergarten for free and have them take care of their children and feed them for part of the day, and taking care of children is much easier than working in hard physical jobs male peasants done in the past or any other hard job that is given mainly to men both in the past and in modern times. Only modern feminists see work as something fun and being at home with the kids as something horrible, they think that being a medieval peasant is as easy as being a secretary.

There was no "oppression" against women, there were gender roles in the past and in those times they were beneficial and even necessary for human survival. Women could do many things in the past and they could also get into position of power and leadership despite the gender roles and there are examples of female leaders in the past from every part of the world.

mikesteane · 2021-11-18T22:45:30+00:00

I think most of us can agree that for a long time, women were the disadvantaged.

Even if if that (most of us can agree...) were true, which it is not, it doesn't make it true that women were actually disadvantaged.

they weren't allowed to vote

which country, which elections?

were pressured not to work

That makes men disadvantaged since they had to do ALL the work, though there lies the question of what you mean by "pressured." It seems to be a case of something that has been made up, cannot be supported with evidence but is widely represented in fiction and pervading belief systems.

Most things feminists say are untrue

Like the contents of your opening paragraph

I suggest you read Ernest Belfort Fax's work from 1908 and 1911 thus out of copyright and free to download under the titles of "The Fraud of Feminism" and "The Legal Subjection of Men" which show a factual and completely different system from that represented in the current media and by feminists.

RedditMadeMeReddit · 2021-11-18T16:33:36+00:00

The Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn't support many claims about "women making less money than men." Census data supports the possibility, but also highlights how many jobs where men are present are physical in nature. Women aren't flocking to the jobs which rely most on physical labour.

However, it does support the idea that women are more present in healthcare accountancy, telling other adults what to do, and raising other women's kids. Likewise, women aren't very willing to engage in the trades, as they are 99% men; don't expect the plumber, electrician, welder, HVAC to be a woman.

Women make more money in healthcare. Women are more likely to be teachers, nurses, psychiatrists, secretaries, salespeople, waitresses, front-line managers.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/wb/data/occupations-decades-100

Over the last 50 years, more women have entered STEM. Today, nearly half of mathematics and physical science occupations are composed of women, but engineering is roughly 85 men : 15 women. Women earn more than men as "computer network architects" and pretty much anything in healthcare, but data doesn't show why women are making less money in other STEM related fields. This goes against silicon valley trends, where men are intentionally underpaid. However, there are also women suing Google for pay disparities, so it's safe to say that the company underpays people in general.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/01/women-making-gains-in-stem-occupations-but-still-underrepresented.html#:~:text=Women%20working%20in%20engineering%20occupations,1970%20to%2015%25%20in%202019

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html

DubsPackage · 2021-11-18T16:41:57+00:00

Women have never been "disadvantaged."

200 years ago %95 of the earth lived on a farm.

Voting didn't matter, and arguably still doesn't.

In the 1910's they try to have abortion to reduce black birthrate.

In the 1950's they try to seperate the woman from the man to reduce black birthrate.

Every few years they create new schemes to do that.

Now it's climate change and cow farts and social distancing and feminism.

America land of bullshit and home of bullshit.

Fake country with fake law, fake money, fake economy, fake democracy, fake food, fake progress, fake news, fake politicians, fake issues, fake military, and fake crisis.

falante788 · 2021-11-18T13:28:30+00:00

Please educate yourself on feminist historical revisionism

zerozerotsuu · 2021-11-18T15:41:58+00:00

(There’s a typo in the first sentence where you say women were privileged in 1800 and don’t mean to)

madonna-boy · 2021-11-18T17:10:45+00:00

If it was 1800, and you asked me who the priveleged sex was, I'd say women.

proofread please

Ok-Efficiency1842 · 2021-11-18T17:48:14+00:00

Pretty much. Being a man in 2021 is no different than being a black person in the 1950s. We face open discrimination that the media and society largely ignore.

The only difference is that black people in the 1950s realized they were pressed and tried to fight back as opposed to men who sometimes to contribute to their own oppression.

EgalitarianFacts · 2021-11-18T17:51:41+00:00

Nope. Not even a little bit. Men are collectively ALLOWING this to happen to us. The MOMENT we collectively flex the power of doing 98%+ of all the work that makes civilization run this sexism labeled "feminism" will squeak out of existence like a mouse fart in a hurricane.

ButterSlugger · 2021-11-18T20:23:38+00:00

There shouldn’t be a “first” or “second” sex in the first place, both are equal

rabel111 · 2021-11-18T23:35:04+00:00

Really?

"If it was 1800, and you asked me who the second sex were, I'd say women. I think most of us can agree that for a long time, women were the disadvantaged. Women were even treated as property in some cases. They weren't allowed to vote, were pressured not to work and to have children instead."

You lost credibility in the first paragraph. Most men could vote in 1800, and were treated like cattle, with no rights or privileges. If you are going to make historic social comments, try using historic rather than feminist revisionary documents as your source.

12isbae · 2021-11-18T20:20:16+00:00

I would probably say it depends, especially in relation to job fields. Like men are for sure the second sex in relation to elementary education. And like women are still very outnumbered in holding leadership positions. So it depends. If you’re referencing cultural media coverage I would say that women do get more of that. I would also say that may not be the case in other countries outside the United States.

BrycWall · 2021-11-18T20:24:38+00:00

Does it matter who is disadvantaged and who isn't? Why shouldn't we strive together to get equality for both groups instead of arguing over redundant points

locks_are_paranoid · 2021-11-18T21:01:42+00:00

If it was 1800, and you asked me who the priveleged sex were, I'd say women.

Is this a typo?

KnickkNaxx · 2021-11-19T02:33:45+00:00

Absolutely

Complex-Stress373 · 2021-11-19T09:44:59+00:00

it was for the last years. it will be for some more years at least

jeebussays · 2021-11-19T12:20:52+00:00

We have always been at a disadvantage even during the 1800.. it's been "men do the hard stuff women take it easy " since basically the dawn of time

Cool_Weather_7763 · 2021-11-18T14:00:07+00:00

Hell no we are still privileged sexually and I’m not complaining. If shit hits the fan trust me they will need men more than women. If you’re talking sex I don’t think men will ever not be the privileged sex. Gender is where we are loosing here.

Dwaynedibley24601 · 2021-11-18T18:51:54+00:00

Men are an afterthought right now... but in less than 5 years.. in the middle of a global war against China and Russia.. we will have value again.

Title	Are Men now the Second Sex?
Author	TABSVI
Upvotes	171
Comments	74
Date	November 18, 2021 12:44 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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