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MintIceCreamPlease · 2022-01-05T17:53:59+00:00

The foundational principles of all flavours of feminism (class warfare between men and women with men winning, shorthanded as "Patriarchy") are inherrently anti-male when you examine what needs to be true for it to accurately describe reality. Feminists can claim that it's "just about equality", but it's equality based on bigotted assumptions, presuming psychopathy on the part of men as a class.

Feminism's first big act was one of supremacy, the creation of a two tier citizenship where one class got citizenship rights (the vote) without the responsibility of civil and military conscription, while the other class' citizenship rights were contingent on their conscription. The Declaration of sentiments says "The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpation on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her."

Egalitarian values are innately anti-feminist.

From elizabeth cady stanton:

This is one of the 'good' feminists:

The male element is a destructive force, stern, selfish, aggrandizing, loving war, violence, conquest, acquisition, breeding in the material and moral world alike discord, disorder, disease, and death.

Oof! Men BTFO'd forever, amirite?

We are practically the Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and yet, women keep partaking of the fruits and benefits of our destruction, our sternness, our selfishness, our aggrandizement, our warring, our violence, our conquests, and our acquistiveness.

They keep burning our oil, living in our buildings, using our police and our courts and our laws while telling us that we are massive pieces of shit instead of fucking off to go build the Feminist utopia.

Makes you think, doesn't it? It's almost as if they are full of shit.

In speaking of the masculine element, I do not wish to be understood to say that all men are hard, selfish, and brutal, for many of the most beautiful spirits the world has known have been clothed with manhood; but I refer to those characteristics, though often marked in woman, that distinguish what is called the stronger sex. For example, the love of acquisition and conquest, the very pioneers of civilization, when expended on the earth, the sea, the elements, the riches and forces of nature, are powers of destruction when used to subjugate one man to another or to sacrifice nations to ambition.

With violence and disturbance in the natural world, we see a constant effort to maintain an equilibrium of forces. Nature, like a loving mother, is ever trying to keep land and sea, mountain and valley, each in its place, to hush the angry winds and waves, balance the extremes of heat and cold, of rain and drought, that peace, harmony, and beauty may reign supreme.

The only 'good' men are men who act like women. Feminism is a war against masculinity and against civilization itself and always has been.

Nature is not your mother, your god, or your friend. The natural world provides only for your survival and nothing else.

The Birth of Feminism at Seneca Falls New York, 1848

So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists".

That's not just "no true Scotsman". That's delusional self deception.

Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don't care. I've been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they've done under the banner of feminism, maybe you'd stop calling yourself one.

But I want you to know. You don't matter. You're not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls."

You're not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta's Network of Women's Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist.

You're not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were "ambivalent about their sexual desires" (if you don't know what that means, it's that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research because it's inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape.

You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male.

You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate.

You're not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there.

You're not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender.

You're not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands.

You're not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman's history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it's "part of her sexual history."

You're not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman's mouth is "not a crime" in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there. You're not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there's a "legal" way to rape them.

And you're none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based.

You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.

SpanishM · 2022-01-05T18:48:19+00:00

I call myself a feminist,

I think you don't know what feminism actually is.

BTW: I can't see your comments in r/Feminism. I guess you've been shadowbanned.

MintIceCreamPlease · 2022-01-05T17:47:47+00:00

Everyone wants to talk about themselves and think they are treated unfairly... Personally, I see both sides, and yes people take advantage of people, and people are selfish and do not see other peoples problem... Yes, men are more and more disregarded in society in the courts, in the jails. If they commit suicide it is because those males are weak and an anomaly. I have family in prison because of false statements of a female. I have a supporting wife we understands these issues, but we also have friends that men abuse women.. The societal fabric is falling apart, whether it is men, women, or somewhere in between. So yes, the issues are intertwined, but Modern Feminism that just thinks men are a means to an end in some areas of life is a problem... We are all individuals regardless of sex, race, religion, etc.. In doing so, we all need the basic rights... We all need to acknowledge there are strengths and weaknesses within these divisions.... There is too much talk about They, or them, and not enough talk about us because we should all be in there to discuss the problems to fix them...

Frosty-Gate-8094 · 2022-01-05T18:39:17+00:00

The single biggest issue men face today are gender-biased anti male laws and judicial bias against men.

Gender-biased laws are there in almost all countries, including USA, Canada, UK most of asian and european countries..

There can never be true gender-equality until all laws are gender-neutral. (Including rape laws, DV laws, family courts, genital mutilation, and reproductive right and paternity laws, false allegations)

Feminism clearly isn't fighting to make them gender neutral. In fact, I can give you evidence of national and international feminist organizations actively lobbying against proposed gender-neutral rape and DV laws.

So, MRA is needed to fill this gaping hole in gender-equality movement (And no feminism isn't one) where men's issues are neglected or even deliberately undermined by feminists..

Second issue is social gender- norms.. Which can be dealt with more slowly.

There is no common ground here. There never was, and never will be a unified gender equality movement..

You will have to pick a side.
Chances are you will be ousted from feminism movement the moment you raise men's issues.
Casey Jaye and Warren Ferrel found it out the hard way...
You think you can manage it? Then try it.

BoogersAndSugar · 2022-01-05T15:56:25+00:00

We're being "divide-and-conquer'ed"..... Black vs White. Male vs Female. Straight vs Gay. Religion vs Other Religion, etc.

g1455ofwater · 2022-01-05T19:35:35+00:00

False equivalence.

Feminism is a hate movement and men's rights is an equality movement.

theOverword · 2022-01-06T11:39:12+00:00

Well consider yourself shadowbanned From all feminist subreddits.

Wolffsrain · 2022-01-05T15:49:27+00:00

I'm glad you made this post ( I bet I'll be called a "white knight"). Anyways sometimes I check the Female dating strategy forum and I want to comment but I don't because I'm going to be attacked from all sides. I get attacked here too when I speak my mind lol.

I feel both genders need to be open and listen to each other's problems. I just don't think that will ever happen.

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