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Deployed US Navy Has A Pregnancy Problem, And It’s Getting Worse

Demonspawn

March 27, 2017
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http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/01/exclusive-deployed-us-navy-has-a-pregnancy-problem-and-its-getting-worse/
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Title Deployed US Navy Has A Pregnancy Problem, And It’s Getting Worse
Author

Demonspawn

Upvotes 28
Comments 28
Date March 27, 2017 2:44 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/61sjyb/deployed_us_navy_has_a_pregnancy_problem_and_its/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/deployed-us-navy-has-a-pregnancy-problem-and-its.927729
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Comments

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It was a problem 10 years ago when I was in.

I was called sexist for bringing it up then too.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was a problem 25 years ago when I serve during the first Gulf War, and goes back as far as allowing women to serve in the first place. Pregnancy has always been the trump card any woman in the military could play when she got tired of serving.

Pregnancy doesn't just allow women to get out of deployment it's also at automatic option of ending their term Of Enlistment early without any penalties

[–]Lethn 24 points25 points26 points 9 years ago* (16 children) | Copy Link

It's interesting to have more actual evidence of this kind of behaviour in regards to military service, obviously, no women ( Mainly feminists ) I'm not saying 'all' of you do this. I remember though awhile back in regards to the draft bill that people were attempting to push through congress to make women eligible for it.

The first thing you saw were women complaining about how they didn't want this and one comment stuck out for me in particular and they were saying that they'd just get themselves pregnant to avoid combat.

I absolute cannot wait for the male contraceptive pill to become properly safe because I can guarantee you that just this problem of women getting pregnant of men and using that as a weapon or a way to get what they want will be a thing of the past. In fact, if it's such a problem in the military generally I don't know why they aren't funding research for it because then they could ask male troops to take it so their female colleagues can't pull shit like this.

[+]rrobe53 9 years ago* [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

Women most definitely get pregnant to avoid deployment, it's a regular thing when I served, but the answer isn't male contraceptives forced on the male sailors. Most of these women get pregnant before they leave and so they don't have to go, not while underway in order to get sent home. Most ships don't allow or heavily discourage relationships between crew members already.

The real "sexist" part of it is that women scurrying around deployment with pregnancy don't get the boot but often a better quality of life. Men scurry around deployment too, it just often ends up with a ticket out of the military or at least "profiled."

[–]Lethn 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Obviously I wouldn't necessarily say 'forced' I'm a Voluntaryist, but it's one of those things where men could finally take control over that sort of thing like I said. Still though it's an option to consider if you're purely talking about keeping a military outfit staffed properly.

[–]bufedad 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Still though it's an option to consider if you're purely talking about keeping a military outfit staffed properly.

Not at all. They get pregnant before they deploy. At that point they could sleep with anyone, military or civilian to get pregnant. So, pushing birth control on male military members won't solve the problem.

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I suppose so I guess my main point about that would be if it were with purely military personnel while on base or something like that.

[–]bufedad 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but even when they are stationed on base, they can still leave the base when they are on liberty (after work hours... on weekends).

It would be better to require IUD as part of a woman's enlistment (or commission).

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I've no idea what that is I'm afraid, but yes you're right, they can still get pregnant with a civilian can't they? :S

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IUD. It's a implanted birth control that lasts for years and women don't have to remember to take the pill.

[–]SworntotheDeath 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It would be better to require IUD as part of a woman's enlistment (or commission).

From a purely pragmatic standpoint, that is correct, however, I would caution you against publicly advocating that...

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is the only resolution that makes sense.

Furthermore, having women who enlist for four years, but are off limits for 2 because of pregnancy/newborn... does the military a grave disservice.

[–]SworntotheDeath 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Furthermore, having women who enlist for four years, but are off limits for 2 because of pregnancy/newborn... does the military a grave disservice.

There's no doubt about that. It's one thing to hire someone who does their job, it's something else to hire someone who is not available to work for 12 weeks or more (12 weeks is how much leave the Navy gives new mothers).

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's 2 weeks of leave for new mothers, and 9 months of light duty before they give birth.

That's if they only get pregnant once.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The worst part is their time while pregnant and recovering counts toward their obligation.

Take that away and make them do their full time when they come back and that shit will stop quick.

[–]lynx_and_nutmeg 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf, I can't even... I mean, if they don't want to be deployed, why do they even get into the military at all? Do they think this is some kind of game?

As a woman, I utterly despise women like that. They're destroying everything that women who are for real equality are fighting for. There are still many women who are against the very idea of a woman in the military, and there are women out there working their asses off twice as hard as many men to earn the same amount of respect, and those women are ruining it for them, making it harder for all women to be taken seriously. And really, can you even blame people for that? A spoon of tar can easily ruin a jar of honey, and this seems to be much more than a spoonful... Ah, the irony of it: getting into one of the most "macho" and male-dominated fields and then behaving in this utterly cowardly way by choosing the most stereotypically feminine way to get out of it, the way that historically was one of the main reasons why women were barred from this field in the first place (and many other fields). And a particularly cheap trump card because men can't have it. Zero pride, dignity or solidarity...

The worst thing is that it will never be possible to prove if a woman got pregnant on purpose for this reason. Yes, statistics speak for themselves, but sometimes shit happens, birth control fails, etc. Even knowing that most of these pregnancies were deliberate, it would still be impossible to tell which particular women got pregnant on purpose and which ones got pregnant by accident. But still I'm leaning towards punishment for all cases like this. Ffs, it's really not that hard to avoid pregnancy for a certain set period of time. Double up with birth control, or don't have PIV sex. Or, at the very least, social "boycott" solution - women who pull this shit automatically lose respect from the rest of the military. She will become a pariah, wouldn't be treated in any way that would give her an incentive to sue, but still the consequences would be undeniable and irredeemable.

[–]SaiHottari 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. There's concepts under research and a few options working their way through FDA red-tape (like Vaselgel). But right now, most male birth control options have side effects that would significantly reduce a serviceman's operational effectiveness. It will be a major turning point if/when male birth control that is at least as safe and effective as women's birth control hits market.

[–]raven982 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

t's interesting to have more actual evidence of this kind of behaviour in regards to military service

Just ask anyone that served in the Navy in the last 20 years. It's not exactly a secret. It's not even "sensitive" like this article pretends it is, short of releasing statistics. Pretty much everyone know it happens, and knows it happens in significant quantities. It's well know than you make sure and wrap your shit and see to it that the condom is properly disposed of once sea trials start... lots of the girls will do shady shit like stop taking their birth control or steal sperm from condoms to get themselves pregnant. Particularly the fresh out of high school girls who are going on their first deployment. Even the lesbians do it.

We had a cooling hole/storage area that we had the only key to (so nobody could walk in on you). You could charge $30-40 an hour and those girls would take guys in their trying to get pregnant.. and it wasn't at all uncommon for it to be the same girl with 2-3 different guys a week. The first couple weeks of deployment were always a goldmine, since they thought they could blame the pregnancy on pre-deployment sex. Many of them were married to civilians...

[–]Ontrus 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

women getting pregnant of men and using that as a weapon or a way to get what they want will be a thing of the past

Nope. She just needs to trick one random male. And men who pay almost all of the taxes have to pay one way or another. The only decision to make is whether all men together or a single man finance her popping out a kid. Personally I like the Roman way: Whoever pays for the kid decides whether there will be a kid. But I guess that makes me evil.

[–]knightofsidonia 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Simple, mandate implantation of an IUD or similar long term birth control method for the duration of their service.

[–]SCROTAL-SACK 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But muh hoooman rights!?>>?! Are you saying women can't control themselves while at work? You goddam muhsogynist

[–]McFeely_Smackup 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The article fundamentally missed a key point, either intentionally or through ignorance, that "deployed" means every ship that leaves port. Some, if not most of those vessels are not going into a "hardship deployment" (combat zone, extended duration, etc).

If you break the distinction between hardship deployments and regular ones, the pregnancy rates go through the roof.

I served during the first Gulf War and it was the dirty little secret nobody talked about that some ships deployed to the Persian Gulf had 100% of their female crew rotated home pregnant with no replacements due to it being a time of reduction in forces for the military. People were being involuntarily extended beyond their enlistments to fill slots vacated by women who went home pregnant.

There's simply no question that some female sailors used pregnancy as a "get out of jail free" trump card. Some undoubtedly got pregnant accidentally and still benefited from leaving a combat tour early.

This isn't some politically motivated "women do or don't belong in combat/ships/etc" sort of thing...this is real and undeniable facts that so far the entire DOD has stuck their head in the sand over to avoid controversy.

[–]Demonspawn[S] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you break the distinction between hardship deployments and regular ones, the pregnancy rates go through the roof.

There's an Army study which did do exactly that... but not in a civilian readable way. As we get closer to specific units which were deployed, the pregnancy rates went up.

[–]Dis_mah_mobile_one 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, you don't have to be politically motivated to know that women don't belong on combat ships.

[–]SCROTAL-SACK 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Is it so ridiculous to expect people to suppress their most basic urges for a fucking moment? At work nonetheless? Nothing but dumb fucking apes.

[–]Factushima 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a cash and prizes system for females. She gets easy duty, maternity, ect.

[–]Factushima 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I heard about this first hand from a 1st Sgt who spent a couple years in Iraq: when it got tough the females would flop on their backs to get out of the country. This was doubly true immediately preceeding a deployment.

The answer is to require the females to complete the deployment before they can separate. Especially for shit holes like Iraq.

[–]MraBob 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing backfires quite like feminism.

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