Do you guys support trans right ?

PmMeAnnaKendrick · 2023-12-14T04:43:36+00:00

I don't understand the question they're already I protect the class so they have more rights than men.

iainmf · 2023-12-14T04:35:38+00:00

What rights exactly?

Quiet-Worldliness709 · 2023-12-14T04:46:01+00:00

I fail to see how this benefits men’s rights and I say this as a TS male.

3_if_by_air · 2023-12-14T05:14:37+00:00

What rights do men have that trans men don't also have?

Independent_Growth38 · 2023-12-14T10:49:34+00:00

Depends on what you define as rights.

Reasonable-Tea-8160 · 2023-12-14T05:37:24+00:00

Couple of things to say about this topic. Firstly:

"if being a woman gets you more benefits in the society then i can totally see why some men would rather be a woman. "

If a Man transitions with this sort of Ideology, they are not actually Transgender. They're quite literally just doing it to get a "better deal" in society. Some Men are depraved and desperate enough to fake being Transgender for nefarious reasons like this.
^^^This sort of behavior detracts from the validity of Real Transgenders (Who's Gender Identity is Truly different from their ASAB)
^^^It's not as simple as Man transitions to Woman so they are now a Transgender Woman
^^^ There's more to it then just simple medical transition, surgery, etc. They actually have to have the Gender Identity of whatever Gender they are Transitioning to.
^^^^ So if it Man is transition into a Woman because he's too soft to handle the Raw Deal of being a Man then well, he's just a Man cosplaying as a Transgender Woman for his own selfish benefit

"Overall, i think if any man identifies as a woman he should be treated as such period."

I'm sorry but intent matters. If a Man (or woman/whatever else) transitions for nefarious reasons, my respect for them goes straight out the window. It's paints the entire Transcommunity in a negative light and is one of the reasons some parts of Society won't take them seriously.

As for True Transgenders?

Absolutely. I will give basic respect to anyone who's not rude about it and understands these sort of things are exceptions in society and take time to normalize.

If someone jumps down my throat about pronouns? I won't argue or debate, I'm probably just going to walk away because I only misgendered for one reason and one reason alone-

It was an accident.

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As for Rights? I support all Transrights. I don't know what every one the transcommunity is currently fighting for but I assume it's Right to Transition Healthcare and things like that, which I'm for.

I'm against HRT/Puberty Blockers for Children but I have my reasons and I listed them below. It's not what you think it is. I'm just taking into account everything, since it's a touchy topic.

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Now, for social issues? Like sports? This one is probably going to get me a lot of hate but I will explain it to the best of my abilities so maybe both sides can meet in the middle.

So, all body types are different. That should be self-evident. Now, let's just focus on Transwoman in Woman's sports.

They were AMAB - aka they had a Male-typical Body until the start of their transition. For the most part? They had to go through Male puberty. Male puberty comes with greater height, muscle mass, bone density then say the Female puberty counterpart. This is pretty self-evident as well.

Hear me out, don't shoot me down.

As much as I would love to allow Transwoman to compete in Woman's sports, it's not really an ethical way to do things. Depending on Age of Transition, for the most part, the hypothetical Transwoman was most likely 18+ which they have already gone through Male Puberty so essentially - their biologics are Male (gender identity aside) and let's just say they recently started HRT.

It's going to take years of HRT to undo the effects of Male Puberty. In that mean time, the Transwoman is still built similar to a Cismale. There's obvious differences in the terms of psychology and chemical makeup(HRT) but for the most part - they are still essentially Physically Male.
^^^^Unless their individual body was more-so leaning towards Typical Feminine Attributes.

If we were to allow Transwoman who've gone through Full Male Puberty into Woman's sports, it would put almost all the Women at a huge disadvantage.

I wish I could allow it outright, but it's just not feasible and diminishes Ciswoman's role from Woman's sport altogether.

Of course, exceptions arise. Perhaps early HRT is on the table. Or another outlier.

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How would fix this? I have no idea. I don't like the idea of giving Children puberty blockers or HRT either. Not until we do more research into the validity of giving Children Consensual-Waivers for that.

But, that would work in this case as far as equalizing the disparity between the Transwoman and Woman Body.

But idk. It's a sticky situation because we have to take into account with that argument-

>Some Children just express themselves different (not necessarily transgender)
>Some Children give into peer pressure easily and follow the crowd (vulnerable youth)
>Some Children are coerced and manipulated by their caregiver into going down this road for nefarious reason
>Some Children go through phases
>Some Children have legitimate Gender Dysphoria

I just don't trust the healthcare system to be able to discern the difference of those but it's not really up to me.

If there was a way to figure it out beyond reasonable doubt, I'd advocate for it too but currently? It's all new, niche and questionable.

Also, HRT and PBB come with a slew of side-effects: Infertility being one of the bigger ones. I don't like the implications of that especially when Children are involved (They have no idea what that means for them)

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We could try to make a trans-league but idk. I just feel bad. I'm trying to take into account every one here and look at it through an extremely realistic scrutiny.

IndependenceNo2060 · 2023-12-14T04:59:53+00:00

Trans rights aren’t a zero-sum game. Supporting trans people doesn't need to come at the expense of men's rights. We can and should work towards gender equality for all.

EpicHajsownik · 2023-12-14T05:07:41+00:00

If you believe in equality, then you shouldn't mind anyone changing their gender to a different one.

The only people concerned with men changing gender to female are feminists who want special rights for women, like terfs

mrkpxx · 2023-12-14T07:30:40+00:00

I have always supported trans rights, long before it became fashionable. Now I allow myself to criticize the production.

Delivery-Subject · 2023-12-14T09:06:55+00:00

I defend all genders, ethnicities and any other possible human grouping you could think of to have the same rights

smoothbatman · 2023-12-14T09:41:35+00:00

Its not a good look guys, do we support trans rights or not. Ignore everything else because thats what the criticisers will

z770i1 · 2023-12-14T12:46:30+00:00

The problem is that they will still ignore men. They will say this" why aren't you helping trans people?" "We will help men afterwards" is just a lie. They would rather focus on anyone other then men.

jokerfriend6 · 2023-12-14T12:47:04+00:00

I belive in equal rights for everyone individually. I also realize that giving certain rights to one class of people vs another builds an inbalance in rights and fairness. When we talk about womens rights or trans rights we are building division between people. We should be talking human rights.

Grimmjow18 · 2023-12-14T05:31:06+00:00

I wish her well.

I view the 'issue' of transwomen in women's sport as entirely a result of the choices made by feminism and the women who support it.

If you refuse to allow a group (half the population) their own spaces and freedom of association by crying victim (misogyny, sexism, oppression).

While simultaneously refusing them access to your spaces again by crying victim (all men and boys are dangerous rapists).

Women's refusal to acknowledge the consequences of their own agency is their worst enemy.

63daddy · 2023-12-14T13:36:37+00:00

I support equal rights for everyone. I do not support transgender persons having privileges “cisgender” people don’t have.

NeoNotNeo · 2023-12-14T16:36:02+00:00

I support human rights

solar-garlic1776 · 2023-12-14T11:35:14+00:00

Please define "trans rights"

Which rights do I/we have as straight people have that trans don't?

Zounds42 · 2023-12-15T03:35:10+00:00

You had best realize that making any comments about transgender people as a straight male is a recipe for disaster.

skllyskullstyle · 2023-12-15T08:35:13+00:00

OP, sorry for the confusing comments here. I actually don't understand what the heck is going on here. But to answer your question, yes.

For the most part I would support trans rights. Or at least I would support them more than I would go against them.

I garentee that most of us MRAs would just be more kinder to trans people than be mean. I personally got along with some LGBTQ people years ago just fine.

This reminds me. Sorry if this is irrelevant, but this reminds me of a feminist denomination that is only kind to biological women, and hate transwomen as well as harass men. T.E.R.F.S, I believe.

flossraptor · 2023-12-14T08:05:07+00:00

Yes. I also support schizophrenics' rights.

Odd_Yogurt_1099 · 2023-12-14T06:11:10+00:00

Much love to my feminine homies ❤️

AwesomeBro_exe · 2023-12-14T09:32:53+00:00

I mostly agree with this, beside that I think men who wish to identify as women should go through whatever steps are appropriate for them (EDIT: Albeit not exsctly necessay per se) and it shouldn't just be a matter of saying you are a woman.

Desperate times call for desperate measures and when men see no way out of their shitty situation besides being women, what do people think is gonna happen? Maybe these men will have fun with their future womanhood while having a better life.

JohnnyJaymes · 2023-12-14T06:00:13+00:00

There's a 42% chance it will be a moot point in the future. Meanwhile there's a 100% chance you keep getting down voted for trying to rage bait.

mehmehreddit · 2023-12-14T04:44:36+00:00

Yes, because I’m not a complete cunt.

KochiraJin · 2023-12-14T06:50:25+00:00

Supporting trans rights caused a schism in feminism. Rather than repeat their mistake it'd be better to not link the two causes at all.

McGauth925 · 2023-12-15T21:31:33+00:00

The only thing I'd like to see is more information about is MtR transgenders in women's sports. I'd bet that statistics would show us that they do better than the average women, and I don't think that's fair.

Other than that, I don't care what they do.

Title	Do you guys support trans right ?
Author	Final-Attempt95
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Comments	75
Date	December 14, 2023 4:34 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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