Does the MRM need to be "intersectional?" (discussion in /r/FeMRADebates)

ParanoidAgnostic · 2015-02-22T23:40:07+00:00

The subject of "intersectionality" in the MRM came up a couple of times recently in /r/FeMRADebates and the criticisms of the MRM in this context seemed very similar to the "why doesn't the MRM do anything for trans men" posts we regularly get here from throwaway accounts.

I started a discussion to try to analyse why people think that this is a valid criticism and perhaps convince them otherwise.

Anyway. While I don't agree with them, it seems that this is something that many people expect from a valid equality movement and I'm left wondering whether it's something that the MRM should take on board, not because it is right, or because it makes any sort of sense but because it would be good PR.

Frittern · 2015-02-23T01:37:15+00:00

It's a trap!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality

Feminist wrote the book on this one..Don't fight a opponent on their turf .Intersectional theory is feminist theory. They're basically trolling for those to ignorant to know better..No sin in ignorance my friends, not everyone wasted years pursuing a gender studies degree..

Frittern · 2015-02-23T01:28:08+00:00

Christ "feminism" Intersection or not isn't some giant vagina or infinite chasm that you can just cram anything want up into it and call feminist or "ally".

Folks there is nothing MRA in nor about feMRA debates.

garybuseysawakening · 2015-02-23T05:12:39+00:00

No. Intersectionality is baseless bullocks based in critical theory which takes an obvious trusim as a way to affirm the consequent and to bolster the perceived significance of rich, white girl whinging. It's a concept that originates from the idea that the more you are not a white guy, the worse off you are.

The MRM doesn't need some retarded fucking epistemological paradigm to acknowledge that men who are, say, poor or black will be hit harder by societal stigma and inequality than others. This was needed in feminism because of the feminist tendency to not understand basic informal fallacies (fallacy of composition/fallacy of division).

DavidByron2 · 2015-02-22T23:42:16+00:00

"intersectional" is a system whereby the feminist hate movement steals legitimacy for its hate by pretending to side with actual minority groups. Feminists co-opt these groups and steal their voice to employ them in their campaign of hate.

This opinion cannot be spoken at the web site you linked to because it supports censorship in favour of hate.

Considering it's a pro-feminist / censorship site i question why you linked to it here. if anyone goes over there from here they will just get banned.

guywithaccount · 2015-02-23T06:34:22+00:00

I'm not aware of anyone who uses "intersectional" except feminists.

No, the MRM does not need to adopt feminist ideas or define itself on feminist terms.

DougDante · 2015-02-23T02:37:00+00:00

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Dnile1000BC · 2015-02-23T10:00:00+00:00

I agree with most of the sentiments expressed here already. Intersectionality is a useless concept invented by feminism to remain relevant when they clearly are not.

We do not need to co-opt other movements. MRA should focused on equalising men's rights with women's rights. Unlike feminism, we don't need anything else to remain relevant.

GenderNeutralLanguag · 2015-02-23T00:01:45+00:00

That people face discrimination on many fronts is something that the MRM needs to be more clear on. Black men face discrimination both because they are men and because they are black.

Using the term "intersectional" is a bad idea. It is one of the loaded terms that is little more than double speak. It has become the rallying cry of people playing Oppression Olympics to determine who the "real" victims are so that every one else can be excluded. The very concept of "intersectional" demands everyone get lumped into groups of "Oppressors" and "victims" based upon presumptions and perceptions of power.

The MRM does need to do a better job of showing that when we talk of "Men" we mean ALL MEN, regardless of race, color, orientation etc.

-Fender- · 2015-02-23T00:15:46+00:00

It might be a stupid question, but what's /r/FeMRADebates and what is it for? Is there a reason that they can't voice their opinions or concerns here? It's not like we censor people because they're women or because of their opinions. We only ask for the rights of men to not be squandered, and for the law to apply to us in the same way as it applies to women. So why the seemingly female-space-only other subreddit?

And as to your question, I have no idea exactly what "intersectional" is supposed to imply, but from other comments, it seems to be about how trans people are treated? Honestly, I don't see what's the problem. As Men's Rights activists, we want people who look like men to not be discriminated against because of their apparent gender. And if the trans person is man-to-woman, then we don't want her to be discriminated against because on paper and biologically, she's a man.

All we want is equality. Nothing more and nothing less, no matter the race, sexual orientation or whatever else you can come up with.

rg57 · 2015-02-25T18:19:52+00:00

Sure. But please, why do we have to name it?

If he's male, was male, or will be male, then he falls into men's rights.

Title	Does the MRM need to be "intersectional?" (discussion in /r/FeMRADebates)
Author	ParanoidAgnostic
Upvotes	18
Comments	69
Date	February 22, 2015 11:33 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2wt8g7/does_the_mrm_need_to_be_intersectional_discussion/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/does-the-mrm-need-to-be-intersectional-discussion.987492 https://theredarchive.com/post/987492

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