"Don't worry, I'll pay for dinner," he says, smiling. "You can get the drinks later." You ignore that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach and smile back. After all, it's only fair. He did pay for dinner. You're a feminist. You're financially independent. You don't need to rely on a man, and you don't want him to think you're all take and no give. Relationships are supposed to be an equal partnership.
Ladies, you're missing the wood for the trees. While you're quibbling about ideas of 'fairness', you're overlooking the crucial question:
What kind of man performs an act of generosity then turns round and demands something in return?
A man to whom your happiness is not the priority.
Men with a 50-50 mindset are obsessed with 'fairness'. Every act is recorded on a balance sheet in his head in a series of gives and takes. He is forever conscious of what he is owed. No act of generosity or kindness is freely given. It is done on the condition that he will 'get' something in return. His buying you dinner is a superficial, empty gesture, because the whole time he is waiting to get paid his 'due' further down the line.
HVM who pay for dates do so without the expectation of anything in return. Your sincere gratitude, your warm thanks and the smile on your face are all the reward he needs. That's because to him, your happiness is the most important thing. Not when you're going to replace the contents of his wallet. He takes pleasure in your appreciation and won't hold an act of generosity over your head like the sword of Damocles, and he certainly won't make you feel obligated to him because he voluntarily did something nice for you.
When you thank a 50-50 man for paying for dinner, he doesn't care. When you smile at him with appreciation in your eyes, he doesn't care. 50-50 men don't value your thanks or appreciation for a kind gesture, because they don't understand generosity. They know that they're 'supposed' to pay for dinner, but they fail to understand why. Your acknowledgement of a kindness doesn't mean shit to them because they don't value making you happy.
For 50-50 men, everything they do for you is conditional. Nothing is given from a place of love, kindness or generosity. Everything circles back to him and what 'payment' he will get in return for his acts of service. They are, at their core, selfish individuals. Your entire relationship will play on a continuous loop of 'I did x so you must do y'. This cold, clinical mindset reduces a relationship that should be built on love to nothing more than a business transaction. There is no warmth, no passion, no selflessness. And it's exhausting.
When a man expects you to go 50-50 on dates, this is what he's offering you. Think very carefully and decide if this is the relationship you really want.
[–]Dr_Papernipples 93 points94 points95 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Damn, that fucking sub is the pinnacle of reddit cancer.
[–]RaynareLove 34 points35 points36 points (1 child) | Copy Link
all i read was r/FemaleDatingStrategy and knew right away it was some sexist bs
[–]SharqPhinFtw 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
r/femaledatingstrategy is worse than the worst I've seen on r/incels because those guys weren't protected by the entirety of Reddit
[–]TerriblerReality 37 points38 points39 points (0 children) | Copy Link
"You can get (pay) the drinks later" does not imply you should return my favour, but you can return it if you want to.
But don't miss the whole point of this thread which is basically "Don't date these women (!)"
That sub is just a bunch of female incels jerking each other off for having the same distorted worldview by discussing stories and problems that aren't even theirs, living in a Bubble so high that they can't even burst it anymore.
[–]KOMRADE_ANDREY 23 points24 points25 points (3 children) | Copy Link
If there was fruit that hung lower it would be under ground
[–]MeLittleSKS 7 points8 points9 points (1 child) | Copy Link
you're saying that they're potatoes? lol
[–]Rufert 15 points16 points17 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't insult potatoes like that.
[–]SharedRegime 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
So very true.
[–]Skeith154 26 points27 points28 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Ahhh yes. Men are suppose to bask in a look of Gratitude or a smile and not pay any mind to the fact that he is paying for everything, all the time. No, no, he can't expect you to take up the tab as often as he does, or you know... Contribute to the relationship in any way beyond a kind word now and then as her simp buys everything on her behalf.
Bloody Hell. that reeks of entitlement.
[–]higgs456 22 points23 points24 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I like how women can't do anything out of generosity or even reciprocity in their minds, says something about the FDS mindset hahaha, if a guy has any expectation of reciprocity or generosity it's actually a demand and an imposition, imagine projecting your issues this hard and thinking you have a point
[–]paul_a_8002 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
These women must be miserable. They probably analyze every relationship (not just partners) to see if they are getting the better end of the deal.
[–]MeLittleSKS 16 points17 points18 points (0 children) | Copy Link
my......god.
they've circled back full 180 degrees now.
they're like those "anti racist" activists who are pushing for "blacks only" spaces on college campuses.....
[–]kaunText 29 points30 points31 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Gosh where do these tards spawn 😂
[–]SharedRegime 11 points12 points13 points (0 children) | Copy Link
They are literally making jokes about equality in there lol. The shit just writes itself.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
So now they started complaining about the stuff the feminists want?
[–]Vanriel 9 points10 points11 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I really don't get stuff like this and how it's a big deal.
When I meet up with a friend of mine, one time I pay for the meal and she pays for the drinks, the next time she pays for the meal and I pay for the drinks.
Neither of us make a big deal out of it, it's juts normal to us. This one time though this woman and man started having a go at me for being sexist (she was paying for the meal this time) and how I should be a gentleman and pay because that's what good men do (ignoring the fact that the way "good men" came across sounds like you're complimenting a dog).
Before I even had a chance to say "mind your own business" my friend turned around and told them to "shut up, mind your own business and take your own definitions of" good gentleman"and shove it! "
She's an awesome lady.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
High value female right there.
[–]japanese-bo1 8 points9 points10 points (1 child) | Copy Link
what kind of woman expects a man to pay for everything she wants without her doing anything in return??
it still baffles me how these people come up with this stuff
if its 50-50 then its all fair
no one loses any money if the relationship ends up not working out
[–]lllll00s9dfdojkjjfjf 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
From now on my dates can pay 100% so I know they understand generosity. What the fuck is this bullshit?
[–]thetangynovella 7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That sub is not focused on ‘female dating strategies’. It’s straight up misandry, reading some of those comments pissed me off...
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
And why is it that fds members expects those acts of "kindness, love and generosity" always of men and only of men. Why can't she pay for a change and be rewarded by my heartwarming smile and the appreciation in my eyes? Easy, because they don't want to reciprocate, it is indeed all take and no give. And that's why your smile and your appreciative eyes aren't worth shit because they don't come from a place of genuine gratitude but from an overinflated sense of entitlement because as a vagina owner you think you are owed all that generosity by default. What they are suggesting is not 50/50 but 100/0, meaning that you as a man are supposed to put effort and work in the relationship, spoil and pamper her all the time and then as a reward at best you get an approving smile from her like the good little slave you are. They don't even realize how much more selfish and cold their attitude towards men is than what they accuse the 50/50 men of. The only reason behind the old fashioned "gentlemen pay" stems from the time when women earned no or little money and couldn't afford to pay. Now this is a thing of the past, because you wanted equality. It was not to show your "kindness, love and generosity" to her. In the first few dates you hardly know each other, so why should I have to display such affectionate, selfless feelings for you or you for me. Those feelings develope with time and then sure no question we can pay for each other, but they are not to be expected on the first date.
[–]kingofcorndog 11 points12 points13 points (3 children) | Copy Link
I half agree with them, a “50/50” man could be a bad, neurotic thing to be. But a relationship should be more like 100/100. Both partners giving fully without expectation
[–]MeLittleSKS 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
exactly.
their point is actually kinda right, they just don't know what the proper solution is.
someone who only gives to their partner with the expectation of receiving equal payment in return is gross. But their solution of "therefore the man should give me 100 and I give 0" is equally gross.
[–]LadyGanderBender 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
You‘re either bad at math or missing the point. If we‘re talking about splitting 1 whole thing, no matter the size, the sum is never over 100.
[–]kingofcorndog 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You are missing my point. Don’t be so rigid
[–]ninja_deli 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Nothing that comes out of that sub surprises me. Their whole philosophy does not revolve around actual equality. They even say it. I just scroll on by if I see any posts from them. Most women don't even agree with their toxic arguments if you ask them and get an honest answer.
[–]kanray86 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
i think it's times like these that we should take a deep breath and remember that most women and people are not on fds and are not like these people.
let's be honest here. most of fds is never gonna have a good, fulfilling relationship. they are pitiful people who we should feel bad for instead of getting worked up over. no point in getting sad or angry over low-value individuals like those in fds
[–]MrHupfDohle 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow I just read some comments there. They are sickos. Some stuff is just pure evil.
I bet they will stay single, ofc their choice, until they throw themselves at any men who is willing to take old used goods. Chances are they fail, but no worries, after all they got their 13 cats and always a bottle of wine nearby. It is a blessing that their cats are just like real babies and their lives are sooooo fullfilled. A woman truly needs no man 🤡
[–]Berry-Comfortable 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm gonna have nightmares of this retarded people.. I think they all suffering the princess syndrome...🤮🤮🤮
[–]DubsPackage 3 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
#1. Stop polluting this board with FDS shit.
#2. In a relationship "your" happines or even "happiness" per se is NOT the primary consideration, relationships ARE give and take, you're not there to be "pleased" like some queen on a throne. If you're not ready to work hard and give to your partner then you're not READY to be in a relationship and need to grow the fuck up and learn how to be an adult.
#3. Stop polluting this board with FDS shit.
#4. Women should pay %100 of dates so they can be rewarded by my smile and gratitude.
#5. Having a vagina doesn't make you special, you're just another meatsack, get over yourself.
[–]Langland88 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with 1 and 3 for sure. Let those ladies be miserable and just let them have their own little echo chamber and bubble and stuff. If they wanted a debate, they wouldn't be banning everyone who posts here.
[–]GulchDale 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The irony is that the women I've dated have always been adamantly 50-50 because they find it insulting for anyone to assume they can't take care of themselves, buy their own drinks, and pay their own way. The converse is you get creepy guys who think "I bought you dinner now you gotta fuck me" as if they're prostitutes when actual call girls are more respectable than anyone on that FDS sub.
[–]IMJohnWayne 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Well that's enough internet for today
[–]AortaVin 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
The comments in that thread are so weird. A lot of special people there.
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[–]nightjohn123 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Those comments are cancer.
[–]NerdGuyLol 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You know what. They’re right. How dare you expect to be rewarded for a helping someone on your own accord men these days smh /s
By their logic we should remain in a Medieval shithole because the women shouldn’t demand anything in return or something
[–]Hannubal 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
These women seem unhappy.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I was on a date the other day, and I said "What expectations do you have from a man (me) when it comes from dating?" She replied, "Well, I have to get ready, smile, laugh at your jokes" It seems like doing the minimum to women when it comes to dating is too much for them and they think that's an expectation.
I told her "Well, those are not expectations, just general rules, but most women expect me to pay for these drinks, choose the spot, have to ask for the date" And she interrupted "Well I offer to pay half" I said "Okay, but have you ever offered to pay the full bill like I have?".
Men, if you choose to take a woman out, I highly encourage you to split the bill, if she's an extraordinary girl then use your own judgement, but there's women who expect the world and live with their parents, then post on r/femaledatingadvice "10 ways to get him to pay"
If we collectively stop putting women on pedestals they will learn their value quickly and have to step up when it comes to dating. You're under no obligation socially to pay for a first date, this is a old way of doing things.
[–]hatefulreason 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
we need a mock subreddit, spergdatingstrategy in which we take their posts and genderswap them.
a woman who doesn't fuck you and care for your home because you didn't take her to dinner the past month is doing so because she expects something in return, it's not altruistic, she doesn't care about your happiness. she knows she's supposed to suck your schlong and then make you a sandwich but she fails to understand why
[–]Eighty_Six_Salt 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh man I just spent 30 minutes reading through that sub.
I’m not saying r/mensrights doesn’t have some sexist shit, but damn, FDS just goes to show that sexism can work both ways.
[–]SharqPhinFtw 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
My guy is feeding her dinner and asked her for a drink. Goddamn what a fucking demon how dare he spend more money but not pay for EVERYTHING
[–]phenomdark27 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
this
[–]GonnDir 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
There is not one comment that didn't disgust me. Honestly these are not any type of women that I got to know in my life. Luckily.
[–]ihatemyself42069666 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
My dad always said a relationship isn't 50-50, its 100-100
[–]ThirdPersonRecording 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Worst page ever, I was banned immediately, but to be fair, they warned that men would be banned, no 50/50 there either
[–]mhandanna 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Its mainly women who have been abused, raised by narcs, feel old and past their best and into astrology and feminism.... basically someone did a reddit stats things, and found that basically all their users are members of those subs (raised by narcs, abused, dating over 30, over 40, astrlogy, feminism etc)
[–]paul_a_8002 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Have you seen this guy's breakdown of them? SAVAGE.
https://solitarybeast.com/blog/n62bswb9x9vqodr6njmvblqwd3fueo
[–]Adorablefeet 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol. So this guy buys a dinner to get free drinks? That's akin to buying a car to get a lighter for your cigarette.
[–]Daemonicus 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
So let's unpack this a bit.
So it's not even pregnancy itself.
Who would have thought that being unhealthy would lead to unhealthy outcomes.
Well, it's not that big of a deal. Nobody gives a shit about your fuck trophies providing you with free government income.
So the only thing women bring to the table is pregnancy, and a potential child? Yet even when that's the only thing, it's not important that they remain healthy for the benefit of the child (and society)... No their perceived value is more important.
[–]paul_a_8002 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Most of these women probably have children, and probably from multiple men. Why would a HVM want to raise somebody else's kids? That's the epitome of being a beta male.
[–]paul_a_8002 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
So a HVM is defined as a simp? Even if you believe things like HVM and LVM, the HVM males have better things to do than simp for you. What makes you worth his time?
[–]Luchadorgreen 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Do any of you guys actually do this? I always make sure my wife orgasms first.